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David Whiteley
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Posted: 24 January 2007 at 10:39am | IP Logged | 1  

It may be a sliding scale of the impact of adding false information, but whether it is an attempt at humor or an attempt to create a negative view of someone, both are further adding to the lack of integrity on the site.

On a related topic, CNN today are relating how Microsoft are in hot water for offering to pay someone money to rewrite part of the Microsoft Wiki entry.
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John Byrne

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Posted: 24 January 2007 at 10:51am | IP Logged | 2  

I hope you can see the difference between baking
pancakes and character assassination.

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I can't. Disinformation -- deliberate disinformation --
is disinformation. The site is still left suspect and
worthless.
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John Byrne

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Posted: 24 January 2007 at 10:52am | IP Logged | 3  

Microsoft are in hot water for offering to pay someone
money to rewrite part of the Microsoft Wiki entry.

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Countdown --- how long before it's in the rumor mill
that I did that?
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Randy Sterger
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Posted: 24 January 2007 at 11:32am | IP Logged | 4  

JB to be honest, I read a lot of sites, and by far I read more Bad Byrne stories and rumors about you from you than anywhere else. I dunno - when you say stuff like that, you kinda invite people to do it, don't you think?

I dunno again David, but it's not my problem that Wikipedia lets people do stuff like make fake entries about pancakes. If they let me do it, I'm gonna do it, because I think it's funny.

Why criticize me for "ruining" something you find worthless, anyway? It's like if there was a chair that a lot of people like to sit in that you have no desire to ever sit in, yet when people kick the chair you get all bent out of shape?

Facts are facts - pancakes are funny, especially when people call them flapjacks! LOL
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David Whiteley
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Posted: 24 January 2007 at 11:52am | IP Logged | 5  

Randy, I didn't say anything about what I thought of the site, did I? I said, "It may be a sliding scale of the impact of adding false information, but whether it is an attempt at humor or an attempt to create a negative view of someone, both are further adding to the lack of integrity on the site."

My question, Randy, is why do you think it is funny? Seriously. Okay, so you can go into the site and add false information. Where is the ha ha?
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Randy Sterger
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Posted: 24 January 2007 at 12:27pm | IP Logged | 6  

Well, I'm not going to try to explain my sense of humor or ask you to approve of it. That said, I write a sports website that gets tens of thousands of people reading per day, and when I write that Raja Bell likes making various kinds of pancakes, people enjoy it.

"Adding false information" in and of itself is not funny. Adding false information that is so bizarre and out of context as to be stupid...can be, if done with the skill and precision that someone like myself is able to do it with.

FLAPJACKS. "Trousers" and "snacks" are also very funny words to create fictional scenarios around, as well. lol
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David Whiteley
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Posted: 24 January 2007 at 12:31pm | IP Logged | 7  

I'm sure I can spraypaint a bizarre and out of context bit of graffiti somewhere too - and while some may see it funny, it is still vandalism.

Would you be pleased if someone decided to add some "bizarre and out of context" information on your sports website without your permission?
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Randy Sterger
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Posted: 24 January 2007 at 1:11pm | IP Logged | 8  

Well yeah, because my website isn't open to be changed by the public. lol

That said, people add bizarre and out of context information in the comments sections all the time, including talking trash about me - I never delete or moderate it. If it's funny, all the better. (But comparing my site to Wiki is like apples and oranges AND banoonoos.)

I guess whereas a lot of you are content to sit here and say "Blarrrgh puke on that site - it's evil!" I see it as a growing, new innovation that will find a balance between open source and accuracy with some time and thought. You guys talk like Wikipedia wants to be innaccurate, which is not the case. Perhaps helpful suggestions on how they could find that balance would be more productive and constructive conversation. lol


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David Whiteley
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Posted: 24 January 2007 at 1:13pm | IP Logged | 9  

Again, I never said anything about what I thought of the site. Please stop your absolute comments about "a lot of you," "you guys" and so on.

And perhaps end a post without lol just for variety.


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Brian O'Neill
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Posted: 24 January 2007 at 3:40pm | IP Logged | 10  

lol
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Randy Sterger
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Posted: 24 January 2007 at 5:17pm | IP Logged | 11  

David you've said quite a a lot about what I shouldn't do, but nothing constructive about what I should. I'm not trying to annoy you, I just think Wiki is an interesting thing that can be more interestinger with some tweaks and adjustments. Let's start there and move forward as friends. lol
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Michael Casselman
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Posted: 24 January 2007 at 5:23pm | IP Logged | 12  

One constructive suggestion would be to contribute to anenvironment of truth and some semblance of neutrality (one of the objectives/goals of the site in question) instead of contributing to the cult of idiots who get their rocks off by spreading deliberate disinformation.

Flog, flog...... lolz
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Brendan Howard
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Posted: 24 January 2007 at 5:25pm | IP Logged | 13  

I am scared of people who end every post with LOL. I imagine them sitting in front of their computer laughing like the Joker as they type.

A factual resource should not be "funny." It should be factual. This is obvious.



Edited by Brendan Howard on 24 January 2007 at 5:25pm
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Randy Sterger
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Posted: 24 January 2007 at 5:29pm | IP Logged | 14  

What if the facts are funny, though? Like when Kwame Brown threw a birthday cake at someone last week? sf*







*stern faced

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Brian O'Neill
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Posted: 24 January 2007 at 6:51pm | IP Logged | 15  

I read about that birthday cake incident today, not on wikipedia, but in 'reputable' Sports Illustrated. So wikipedia doesn't make everything up.

 

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David Whiteley
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Posted: 24 January 2007 at 7:03pm | IP Logged | 16  

I don't think anyone suggested WIkipedia makes everything up. Just that the current system allows mistaken or malicious misinformation to be entered, putting the validity of it all into question.

In regards to my posts "telling" Randy what to do... I often rail against vast generalizations, so it is not a personal attack. A positive suggestion might be to question the rationale of putting in fake info just because you can.


Edited by David Whiteley on 24 January 2007 at 7:10pm
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Jacob P Secrest
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Posted: 24 January 2007 at 7:04pm | IP Logged | 17  

 John Byrne wrote:
I hope you can see the difference between baking
pancakes and character assassination.

***

I can't. Disinformation -- deliberate disinformation --
is disinformation. The site is still left suspect and
worthless.

My point wasn't a defense of the site (something I would never do), my
point was that adding a paragraph about baking pancakes is a lesser
offense than deliberate character assassination, however the website as a
whole is still worthless.
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Jacob P Secrest
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Posted: 24 January 2007 at 7:07pm | IP Logged | 18  

Adding false information to Wikipedia is funny, as long as it's not
direct character assassination, and even if it's not character assassination,
I don't condone it (though I have done it).

Wikipedia is useless regardless, I've vandalized Wikipedia before, I know
this to be true (unless Dante really was a transvestite, but I doubt it).

My school won't accept it as a source, for damn good reason, it's a really
bad source, really, really bad.
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Randy Sterger
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Posted: 24 January 2007 at 7:17pm | IP Logged | 19  

But David, I didn't do it just because I could - I did it for the sake of comedy and keeping an audience entertained. Gotta keep traffic up - gotta keep the advertisers happy.
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David Whiteley
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Posted: 24 January 2007 at 7:21pm | IP Logged | 20  

Based on how talented and entertaining you make yourself out to be, I'm disappointed you cannot come up with more creative ways to do so. Or does your skill and precision only come into play in these sorts of efforts?
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Randy Sterger
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Posted: 24 January 2007 at 11:03pm | IP Logged | 21  

No but in the summer when the NBA is not in session and once free agency is over, there's really nothing going on in pro basketball, unless you like the WNBA. lol

I try to balance the topical with the humor, so in those months, sometimes I'll have to resort to such tomfoolery. That said, my skills still cannot be denied. lol
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Michael Casselman
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Posted: 25 January 2007 at 1:36pm | IP Logged | 22  

Gotta keep traffic up - gotta keep the advertisers happy.

+++++++++++++

And what advertisers would those be?

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Wikipedia is useless regardless, I've vandalized Wikipedia before, I know
this to be true (unless Dante really was a transvestite, but I doubt it).

+++++++++++++

Another admitted vandal. Message board trolls, Wiki-trolls.... trolls all the same, just of a slightly different color. Same smell.

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Todd Hembrough
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Posted: 25 January 2007 at 2:33pm | IP Logged | 23  

Wikipedia is the easiest place to get a superficial idea about a topic.  Deeper digger can be done elsewhere (tho so much of what is on wikipedia is useful).

All caveats up thread being a given, it is still a very convenient place to find out facts about the opera's of Borodin, for instance.

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David Whiteley
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Posted: 25 January 2007 at 2:40pm | IP Logged | 24  

I share your thoughts, Michael.
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Randy Sterger
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Posted: 25 January 2007 at 9:06pm | IP Logged | 25  

Ummm...the companies who advertise on my website?  And no, I won't reveal it here, if that's what you're asking. I write under an alias and prefer to keep it that way for my own reasons.
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