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Brian Hague
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Posted: 18 December 2017 at 2:47pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

I haven't watched so much as a trailer for that FF thing (if it played in the theatre, I wasn't paying attention), but the film still managed to torpedo a long-standing friendship. I apparently took the wrong position when asked how I thought the brother/sister combo of Michael Jordan and Kate Mara could have come about. 

The only politically correct, non-racist view one can take on the situation, according to my former pal Jeff's wife, who's British and half-Chinese, is to assume mixed-race parentage with wildly diverging appearances for the children. Since I foolishly associated the situation with the actual black/white brother and sister combination I knew back in high school, wherein one was adopted (the same tack the film takes, by the way) I was angrily denounced as a racist as she stomped from the room. 

I am not allowed over to the house anymore and Jeff is not permitted to speak to me, despite my knowing him for twelve years prior to his marriage to this brittle martinet. Which Jeff seems fine with, so good riddance, I suppose. Still... I can't help wishing things had turned out differently.

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Greg Kirkman
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Posted: 18 December 2017 at 5:43pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Don't feel bad, Brian. I've been accused of racism and sexism and whatnot because of my dislike for Disney's poorly-written, nostalgia-milking and social agenda-driven STAR WARS movies. Because criticizing bad and lazy writing is obviously racist and sexist.


After this weekend's...developments...in STAR WARS fandom, though, I can't stop laughing.



Anyway, I recorded FANT4STIC off of HBO, some months ago. 30 seconds in, I said "no", and deleted the thing. I'm done wasting time giving stuff like this a chance. I'd rather read some vintage FF comics.
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John Byrne

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Posted: 18 December 2017 at 7:37pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Anyway, I recorded FANT4STIC off of HBO, some months ago. 30 seconds in, I said "no", and deleted the thing. I'm done wasting time giving stuff like this a chance. I'd rather read some vintage FF comics.

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You have taken your first step into a larger world.

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Greg Kirkman
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Posted: 18 December 2017 at 7:43pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

You have taken your first step into a larger world.
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Oh, I'm done, man. No more being stabbed in the heart by terrible adaptations, reboots, and remakes. I've successfully avoided BATMAN vs. SUPERMAN, SUICIDE SQUAD, FANT4STIC, and any other number of these sorts of films. I'll take them on a case-by-case basis, but my general rule is to not bother. I have 25 longboxes of comics calling my name, where my time can be better spent.


Yesterday, I almost--ALMOST went to see THE LAST JEDI, mainly because I kinda wanted to experience the trainwreck with a crowd. I came to my senses, though. Not gonna feed the Mouse. I'm done with DisneyWARS and the DCEU, and I'll take a wait-and-see attitude toward the Marvel films.

Vote with your wallets, people. Don't accept products you don't actually enjoy. There's still good entertainment out there, but paying to see crap is still a "yes" vote, even if you end up hating it.
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Michael Roberts
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Posted: 18 December 2017 at 8:27pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

I’ve still proudly avoided all the FANTASTIC FOUR movies and B vs S.


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Because criticizing bad and lazy writing is obviously racist and sexist.

As far as this board goes, the issue was not that you criticized bad and lazy writing, but that you attributed bad and lazy writing to “social agendas” using loaded terms like “SJW”, without really backing it up. 

You really shouldn’t feel smug over THE LAST JEDI though. There are issues with it, but nothing to do with social agendas and more to do with erasing the happy endings of the OT characters, which was an issue with the last film, and Johnson’s attempt to do something different rather than try to milk the nostalgia of the OT, which is something you advocated. 
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Greg Kirkman
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Posted: 18 December 2017 at 9:34pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

There are issues with it, but nothing to do with social agendas and more to do with erasing the happy endings of the OT characters, which was an issue with the last film, and Johnson’s attempt to do something different rather than try to milk the nostalgia of the OT, which is something you advocated.
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Exactly.


Of course, I advocated for "different and GOOD, not "different and terrible/baffling".

And, my smugness comes down to the fact that people are waking up and seeing the bad writing and disrespect for what they are. The social agenda stuff is a minor concern, at this point. STAR WARS--in its one-film or trilogy flavors--was a fairy tale with a happy ending for our heroes. That is most assuredly no longer the case, given the now-endless cycle of Rebels vs. Empire, and people are rightly ticked off.

A lot of fans blindly assumed that we'd be getting a sequel trilogy which would be a legitimate continuation of the story of the original trilogy's characters, rather than a trilogy that tears them apart and makes them into losers. I saw the writing on the wall early on, and I daresay that the controversy may exceed PHANTOM MENACE levels, since the actual characters of the original trilogy are the ones who have now been fubared, not just the backstory.



Anyway, I do think the FF should lay low for awhile, in light of the Disney acquisition, but I get the feeling that they'll be worked in as fast as Spider-Man was. Although, so few people seem to have seen or cared about FANT4STIC, maybe it wouldn't really matter if they tried again!
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Shaun Barry
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Posted: 19 December 2017 at 10:53pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply


NIGHT OF THE DEMON (1957)

(a.k.a. "Curse of the Demon" for the U.S. market)

An all-around splendid, eerie, intelligent production from the UK... maybe not quite a full-on "horror" film, but still my favorite supernatural thriller from the 1950s.





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John Byrne

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Posted: 20 December 2017 at 6:31am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

GALAXY QUEST (1999)

Has it really been so long? Built out of smoke and mirrors, but the ride is the real joy, not the underpinnings.

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Shaun Barry
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Posted: 21 December 2017 at 9:35pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply


James Cameron's TITANIC (1997)

Ooof.

Look, I'll admit upfront, I was a big fan at the time, 20 years ago (when I was "only" 25), but now I can all-too-easily see it for what a preposterous, presumptuous, crude, knuckle-headed, self-aggrandizing (face it, "Jack" is a stand-in for a young James Cameron), grating farce that it is.

Is it a stupendous production?  Sure.  But inserting some fictional, dopey characters into the story of the RMS Titanic is just too insufferable to bear anymore.

(I think it's finally time for me to order the Criterion edition of A NIGHT TO REMEMBER...)





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John Byrne

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Posted: 21 December 2017 at 9:38pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

As always, anyone who wants the real Titanic story should check out Kenneth Moore in A NIGHT TO REMEMBER.
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Matt Hawes
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Posted: 21 December 2017 at 11:19pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

 Shaun Barry wrote:
...face it, "Jack" is a stand-in for a young James Cameron...


You don't say?   LINK.


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Bill Collins
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Posted: 22 December 2017 at 1:47am | IP Logged | 12 post reply

Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets,visually
stunning,great FX and a decent enough story,but Dane
DeHaan just doesn`t seem to fit the lead role and the
chemistry with Cara Delevingne seems forced.
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John Byrne

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Posted: 22 December 2017 at 9:09pm | IP Logged | 13 post reply

CHRISTMAS IN CONNECTICUT (1944)

This is the one. The one I saw on the BBC when I was seven years old, and that planted in my young brain the notion that some day I was going to live in the Nutmeg State.

Surfed into it tonight on TCM, and decided to stick with it. Very probably the first time I've watched it since 1957! Memory had done some recasting. Barbara Stanwyck in the lead, not Bette Davis. And Sydney Greenstreet as her boss, not Claude Rains.

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Tim O'Neill
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Posted: 23 December 2017 at 11:53pm | IP Logged | 14 post reply



I watched the TCM airing of CHRISTMAS IN CONNECTICUT last night as well, even though I have the DVD handy.  I avoided this movie until just a few years ago - I didn’t look too hard into it and it appeared to be a treacly, overly sentimental Hallmark card of a movie. I don’t know why I had that impression - it’s anything but!  Barbara Stanwyck is fantastic as a magazine columnist who has created a false print persona as a country housewife, while she is actually a single living in the city.  When she has to pretend her persona is real for her editor, the movie takes off and doesn’t stop.  There’s more than a few elements that strain credulity, but the comedic tone makes it all work.

I stuck around for the Barbara Stanwyck double feature with REMEMBER THE NIGHT (1940), which co-stars Fred MacMurray.  I had not seen this before, and I thought it was excellent.  Preston Sturges wrote it, and the characters develop in a wonderful way.  Stanwyck and MacMurray have great chemistry as their relationship evolves.  As it was starting, I felt it would be too far fetched to keep me engaged, but I teared up at the end.  I will revisit this one again.




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Shaun Barry
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Posted: 25 December 2017 at 6:57pm | IP Logged | 15 post reply


My son received GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY, VOL. 2 for Christmas... he loves it.

Me, not so much.  One of my least favorites of the Marvel Studios films.  Within the first 5 minutes, it was grating, crude & obnoxious... didn't get much better after that.



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Joe S. Walker
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Posted: 26 December 2017 at 10:16am | IP Logged | 16 post reply

THE WAGES OF FEAR (1953)

A real classic of suspense that takes its time to get to the central situation of its story but stays gripping all the way. You just know it won't end well.
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Stéphane Garrelie
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Posted: 27 December 2017 at 4:25am | IP Logged | 17 post reply

Night Of The Demon (Rendez-vous avec la peur) is a wonderful movie.
I rewatched it a few month ago.
One of the best Jacques Tourneur movies.
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Robbie Parry
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Posted: 27 December 2017 at 12:58pm | IP Logged | 18 post reply

SUPERMAN IV: THE QUEST FOR PEACE (1987)

It was part of the Blu-ray boxset I bought (all the Superman movies) so why not?

It's illogical in many places and pretty bad. Lex Luthor is a little bit of a clown in the film, and there's so much wrong.

I can appreciate the message of the film. And the hairs on the back of my neck stood up slightly when Superman, after entering the UN building and asking for a sponsor before he talks, sees every ambassador's hand raised. Superman truly is universal!

It'd take forever to pick holes in this film. And it's hard to believe that the special effects are inferior to the first film, released nine years previously.

Not sure why *Nuclear* Man is dependent on *solar* energy. I know he is "born in the sun", but why not call him Solar Man?

I find myself in awe of some dialogue in the film. Superman says this at the end:


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And there will be peace. There will be peace when the people of the world, want it so badly, that their governments will have no choice but to give it to them. I just wish you could all see the Earth the way that I see it. Because when you really look at it, it's just one world.

And Lois Lane, who often came across as self-absorbed in those films, showed an empathetic side when she visited Clark Kent, who, as Superman, had had his clock cleaned by Nuclear Man. She delivered Superman's cape to Clark and said this:


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I'd want to tell him that I cherished the time we spent together, and I never expected anything from him. Even if I only saw him for a few moments, it made me happy. And I'd want to tell him that I love him and that I'll always love him. And... no matter what happens on this world, I know he tried his best to help us.

I am convinced that in the multiverse, there's a superior version of SUPERMAN IV. It's sad that Reeve's tenure ended with IV.


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Petter Myhr Ness
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HOME ALONE

An Xmas must for me. I still enjoy it. 
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Shaun Barry
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Mike Nichols' THE GRADUATE (1967)

It's too bad that Ben is kind of a stalker, Mrs. Robinson is actually quite unlikable, and Elaine is such a fairly idealized but uninteresting character (and that, quite frankly, Dustin Hoffman now appears to have been a scuzzy little creep, dating all the way back to at least the '60s)...

...because I still find this film to be one of the most exquisitely photographed, directed, and acted films of the 1960s, with a haunting, dreamlike quality, nicely augmented by the Simon & Garfunkel songs.

And still pretty damned funny, too!

(But Jesus, it's hard to look at Hoffman in the same way anymore...)





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Brian Hague
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Robbie, you might enjoy the comic book adaptation of the film that came out at the time. It's written based on the original script, rather than the last-minute edit that was shown in theatres, so it contains the sequence with the first "Bizarro" Nuclear Man and I believe has the order of events correct without the shuffling about the film did. It's still not great (nothing with a "Lenny Luthor" character could be, I think), but it might give you an idea of what the film-makers were shooting for before it all went to hell.

 
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Greg Kirkman
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(nothing with a "Lenny Luthor" character could be, I think)
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Well, at least he's another "LL" character, which is consistent with the comics' lore. "Dwight Luthor" or "Bobby Luthor" would be less faithful to the source material.
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Petter Myhr Ness
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I would love to read that comic actually. SUPERMAN IV was indeed a sad farewell to Reeve as Superman. An absolute train wreck of a movie. And the Superman franchise has still not recovered, after the misstep of Singer's movie and Snyder's violence and destruction porn. 
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Brian Hague
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Greg, the character's even more faithful than that, since the Pre-Crisis Luthor was shown to have a nephew, Val Colby, the son of the former Lena Thorul and her husband, Jeff. Val was still pretty young in the comics, though, and Lex once broke out of jail strictly for the purpose of manufacturing a birthday gift for the lad and leaving it anonymously on his family's front porch since Lena and co. were unaware of their relationship to the arch-criminal. It was a Superman cape with super-stretchiness, just like the real one, which Val thought was cool, but really, he was more of a Batman fan.*

Lex also had a niece, Nasthalthia Luthor or just "Nasty**", who only appeared in comics edited by Mike Sekowsky*** and was generally considered non-canonical otherwise. She was supposedly the daughter of a hither-unto-unmentioned older sister of Lex's who ran away from home at an early age and was never spoken of again.

In this case, however, any tenuous connections the film might have to the comics are cold comfort indeed.

* Of course, Batman's cape would also often appear to have infinite stretchiness properties...
** Before there was Janet Jackson, there was Nasthalthia Luthor. (Okay, not really since Janet was born in the late 60's just prior to Nasthalthia's debut in 1970, but you know what I mean...)
*** Fans rag on Bob Haney for his disinclination to toe the continuity line, but seem generally unaware of the depredations of Sekowsky or Bob Brown. 

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Shaun Barry
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Stanley Kubrick's PATHS OF GLORY (1957)

Although there is an almost total absence of any sort of French accents (in this France-set WWI film!), this is easily a Top 5 Kubrick favorite of mine... just a total gut-punch, and featuring, IMHO, Kirk Douglas' single greatest performance.



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