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John Byrne

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Posted: 08 July 2019 at 2:49pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

My three-foot Round 2 model kit build is still on hiatus, but an accurate, full-scale kit of the 11-footer would truly be the Holy Grail of TREK models. I'd just have no room for it!

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I know exactly where I’d put mine! Been occasionally fantasizing about it since I moved into this house.

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William Roberge
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Posted: 08 July 2019 at 3:23pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

That would look great hanging from the ceiling above the stairs.
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Greg Kirkman
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Posted: 08 July 2019 at 4:46pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

The only downside to hanging it--and I've seen people complain about the era when the model was hanging in the National Air and Space Museum--is that it wouldn't allow for good views of the topside.

There are just so many nice angles to view that ship from. The current NASM setup--ground level, big display case which one can walk completely around so as to see all sides of the model--looks pretty good.


Anyway, I do drool at the thought of an 11-foot, studio-model with completed Bridge and hangar deck interiors to show off. The 1/350 Round 2 model allows for a good amount of interior detailing, but studio-scale would be perfect for adding in a superdetailed Bridge with a working viewscreen and crew figures and whatnot.
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John Byrne

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Posted: 08 July 2019 at 5:12pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

The only downside to hanging it--and I've seen people complain about the era when the model was hanging in the National Air and Space Museum--is that it wouldn't allow for good views of the topside.

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I’d hang it as if banking into a turn

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Greg Kirkman
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Posted: 08 July 2019 at 7:25pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

That works! I suppose it all depends on the space where the model would be located. Near a staircase would offer numerous angles. Up in some corner, not so much.

Also--and, yes, I'm aware that this is crossing the franchise streams--I recently found another video featuring another Holy Grail, studio-scale model. Jaw-dropping!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpzW3t2wzXM

...but we all know that the Enterprise is still the greatest spaceship ever, right?

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John Byrne

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Posted: 08 July 2019 at 7:45pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

My living room has a sixteen foot ceiling.
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John Byrne

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Posted: 08 July 2019 at 7:48pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

That Falcon is a lot bigger than the MasterReplicas “studio scale” model.
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Greg Kirkman
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The Master Replicas Falcon is a reproduction of the 32” model built for THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, which was much smaller and thus easier to film for the acrobatics required of the ship in that film. 

The model in the video is based on the original, five-foot Falcon built for STAR WARS. 

Both are studio scale replicas, but based on different filming models. The five-footer served as the “hero” model, and the 32” was the “stunt”, although it ended up appearing the more often onscreen in EMPIRE and JEDI than the big model, and was even used in publicity photos and whatnot.
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Greg Kirkman
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Posted: 29 August 2019 at 12:24am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Interesting discussion (..well, if you enjoy the finer details of feature-film model-building) with several of the gents who constructed the refit Enterprise visual effects model for THE MOTION PICTURE:




In other news, I was looking forward to this soon-to-be-released book until I checked out the preview on Amazon. It seems they’re going all-out with shoveling the STD-prise into the canonical history of the original TOS ship. I was quite flabbergasted to actually read the preview pages’ assertion that the TOS ship was built in its “Cage” configuration, temporarily rebuilt into the STD-prise, then modified back into a form “closely resembling” its original incarnation just in time for Kirk to take command.


One of these items is not like the others...



https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1858755786">https://m.yout ube.com/watch?v=VBz8f5d0-LU



In other news, I was looking forward to this soon-to-be-released book until I checked out the preview on Amazon. It seems they’re going all-out with shoveling the STD-prise into the canonical history of the original TOS ship. I was quite flabbergasted to actually read the preview pages’ assertion that the TOS ship was built in its “Cage” configuration, temporarily rebuilt into the STD-prise, then modified back into a form “closely resembling” its original incarnation just in time for Kirk to take command.


One of these items is not like the others...



https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1858755786



Suffice it to say that this stupidity has cost them a sale. In a related story to keep on-topic, I of course also won’t be purchasing Round 2’s new model of the STD-prise.

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Greg Kirkman
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Posted: 29 August 2019 at 12:27am | IP Logged | 10 post reply

On the flipside, I’ve recently been following this build of the fanmade 1/2 studio-scale kit, and it’s really purdy. But for the space, money, time, and energy...

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John Byrne

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Posted: 29 August 2019 at 5:09am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

Large!
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Greg Kirkman
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Posted: 10 October 2019 at 9:24pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

...let’s talk about the NX-01.

I’m not much of a fan of ENTERPRISE. In this very forum, I described my experience of watching the entire series with a critical eye. Yes, I found things to like, but it was largely in exercise in wasted opportunities, frustration, and annoyance. SO MUCH could have been done with a proper TOS prequel—sort of THE RIGHT STUFF crossed with STAR TREK—, as well with established lore like the Romulan War and how Earth got its act together to help form the Federation.

Instead, we got a prequel which skewed more toward the warmed-over-TNG end of the spectrum (a style which VOYAGER had already cornered the market on). My very first gripe with the show, before it had even aired, was the idiotic reveal (clearly driven by marketing needs rather than storytelling) of an Enterprise which predated Kirk’s, and which Did a Ton of Ridiculously Important Stuff Before Kirk And Picard Did. 

I most definitely prefer the Daedalus class design and its spherical primary hull as a logical precursor to Kirk’s Enterprise. Because it WAS a precursor! Matt Jefferies’ early design works very well in that regard. However, due again to branding and marketing needs, the bigwigs insisted on both a saucer-shaped hull AND that the Akira class design (created for FIRST CONTACT) serve as a basis.

Years ago, I disliked the NX-01 design for looking too much like a TNG-era ship, rather than a TOS precursor. I’d like to take that opinion back...somewhat. Over the past few years, I’ve come to appreciate the design on its own terms. I’ve listed to and read numerous interviews with designer Doug Drexler (who’s a fun and awesome guy, by all accounts), and have learned to appreciate the amount of thought that he put into the ship. He tried to steer it as much as he could in the proper direction, and the design includes numerous Easter Eggs from both the TOS and TMP Enterprise so as to foreshadow where the technology would go.

...which leads us to the NX refit. After ENTERPRISE was cancelled, Drexler dreamed up a conjectural refit of the design, which incorporated a secondary hull to serve as an additional power plant for the engines. This design is unique in that it was so embraced by the fanbase that it ended up being incorporated into numerous officially-licensed products, such as the SHIPS OF THE LINE calendars and the Eaglemoss starship miniatures. 

...and Round 2’s NX-01 1/1000 scale model kit.

I’ve grown quite fond of the refit design, and bought one of those model kits when it was released in 2013. After a few false starts, I gave up on it, then recently bought another two kits to start fresh. I just finished the first model. That being said, I can’t allow myself to get too fond of the design, because, at the end of the day, it looks like a stockier, clunkier, reverse-engineered Enterprise more than it does a design which would eventually evolve into the classic look. But, as it’s own thing, it’s pretty nifty.

I don’t particularly like ENTERPRISE, nor would I wish to consider it canonical (...but I would take it any day of the week and twice on Sunday over the Bad Reboot Hell which STAR TREK has become fatally trapped in for the past decade.), but I really have come to dig the NX and NX refit designs. I can now somewhat plausibly accept them as alternate universe precursors to Matt Jefferies’ iconic Constitution class design.

So, I decided to build two. One essentially in the onscreen NX-01 style, but with the refit’s secondary hull and alternate (Columbia NX-02) style deflector dish on the front of the saucer, which is also included in the kit. The second model will be built in a style much closer to TOS, with a proper TOS color scheme (no metallics, weathering, etc.) and “Cage”-ish detailing (antennas on the nacelle domes, markings).

I’m very pleased with how this first model turned out. As a new and different type of project, it was refreshing. I may not particularly like ENTERPRISE, but this was a lot of fun to build. In my head-canon backstory, this is a Romulan War-era ship: S.S. (...not yet a “United” ship) Delaware, named for the first state to ratify the Constitution (a subtle joke, since the NX was backdated from Matt Jefferies’ Constitution class design). And the registry number (NCC-018) was chosen with a slant toward the sequential numbers of the ships in ENTERPRISE (all two of them), rather than Matt Jefferies’ system (which had Kirk’s ship as the 01st build of the fleet’s 17th major design). And, of course, “NCC” instead of “NX” because the design had well been proven by that point, and was no longer experimental. 


It’s been a long road, gettin’ from there to here...six years, to be exact!



Edited by Greg Kirkman on 10 October 2019 at 9:31pm
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