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Doug Centers
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Posted: 30 April 2017 at 5:12pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Got it!
Had to go back and look at it. Now I feel like the guy who laughed at the joke after he got home!
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Aleksandar Petrovic
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Posted: 01 May 2017 at 10:42am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

JB: "A positive REVIEW from someone who GETS it"

That Fantastic Four photographic background posted as an introductory context illustration for the ever-present innovation trend - if I am not mistaken, that is from 1985. It creates very unique atmosphere, but more importantly, it is clearly a step leading towards New Visions from 32 years ago. If they really followed what is going on, why are comic book fans surprised by New Visions is beyond me.       
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John Byrne

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Posted: 01 May 2017 at 11:43am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Probably because they are "fans" only in the most negative sense.

Look, contrary to the opinion of some, I make no claim to perfection in my work. Far from it, as old timers in this Forum know well. So here I am doing something effectively brand new, where literally every page is to some extent an experiment, and the kno-nothings sift thru the issues with a magnifying glass -- or read them in a format for which they were not intended -- and cry foul when they find something less than perfection.

Instead of, as in the review, enjoying the experiments even when they don't work!

(I'm reasonably certain many of these are the same people who grouse about the "shoddy" sets and special effects on TOS.)

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Aleksandar Petrovic
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Posted: 01 May 2017 at 2:30pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Out of curiosity, how often do you revisit between individual issues and the collected trade volumes? I guess the trades offer a chance for a touch-up, if and when needed.   
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John Byrne

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Posted: 01 May 2017 at 6:59pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

I'm trying to avoid the urge to Lucasize this project, tho it looms large all the time. As I've mentioned so many times, it's been an incredibly steep learning curve, and looking back too often -- well, that way lies madness!!
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John Byrne

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Posted: 02 May 2017 at 4:34am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Speaking of NOMAD, as we were a page or so back, I surrendered to a bit of whimsy, and turned his "head" into a kitchen tool -- coffee pot? -- in the current WIP...

Spock is NOT reacting to it, btw!

The mechanism in the center foreground (but not the ones bracketing it) is also lifted from an episode. Anyone care to name it?

(A note about this panel: here's another example of where my "unlimited budget" comes in handy. That shot is the only appearance of this room in the story. TOS could not have spent money like that. At best, we might have seen a redress of an existing set.)

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Doug Centers
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Posted: 02 May 2017 at 5:46am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

"The mechanism in the center foreground (but not the ones bracketing it) is also lifted from an episode. Anyone care to name it?"

...

Need to redeem myself after the last bit of trivia.
I, MUDD

I just watched it recently, but you can be assured I double checked with Trek Core before I posted :-)
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John Byrne

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Posted: 02 May 2017 at 6:00am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

I, MUDD

Kee-rect!!

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Doug Centers
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Posted: 02 May 2017 at 7:00am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

There's a reason that "mechanism" resonated with me.
My dad had a steel lathe sitting on his work bench in our garage for as long as I could remember. It looked somewhat like that part of the device pictured.
Many times in my youth I would "act" like I was working lathe, ah the memories.
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John Byrne

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Posted: 04 May 2017 at 5:37am | IP Logged | 10 post reply

Well, darn!

Fifteen years ago (!!) I used Strata to make this guy:

This morning, it occurred to me that, with a little tweaking, he might work as an odd alien character in the story I am currently plotting for STNV. So I hunted thru a few backup drives, and actually found the model.

Alas and alack, that model was several versions of Strata back, and when I pulled a rendering, I got this:

Apparently the modeler cannot figure out how I created the face -- and neither can I after all these years!!!

Darn.

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John Byrne

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Posted: 04 May 2017 at 9:21am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

Some goodish news: poking around in the model I found in the map used to create the face a little box, off to one side, labeled "diplace invards". I removed the checkmark in this box and the face appeared.

Apparently, the modeler had taken it upon itself to INVERT the map!!

Well, that's part of the problem solved. Still a lot of maps to realign. Keeping the maps where they are supposed to be is one of the biggest problems with Strata, whenever there's an upgrade.

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Aleksandar Petrovic
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Posted: 04 May 2017 at 5:18pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

Would such a model be poseable  - is it a single 3D object, or can you freely move the arms, legs etc. around? 
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John Byrne

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Posted: 04 May 2017 at 6:03pm | IP Logged | 13 post reply

I build all my models in pieces, so I can rearrange or pose them.
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Greg Kirkman
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Posted: 04 May 2017 at 8:52pm | IP Logged | 14 post reply

Am I crazy for finding something strangely compelling about the "wrong" render? I...kinda prefer it to the original! It has a strange sort of bio-mechanoid look.
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Richard Stevens
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Posted: 04 May 2017 at 10:23pm | IP Logged | 15 post reply

The wonky version does have a lot of Star Wars charm.
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Doug Centers
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Posted: 05 May 2017 at 4:50am | IP Logged | 16 post reply

It looks like it could be one of the "rag dolls" from the movie 9.
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John Byrne

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Posted: 06 May 2017 at 4:35am | IP Logged | 17 post reply

WIP - expanding my Sickbay "set"...

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John Byrne

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Posted: 06 May 2017 at 7:30am | IP Logged | 18 post reply

Looking for images to add detail to the above, I discovered they made some fairly radical changes in terms of configuration AND placement, during the Third Season. So, embarking on those elements now, since my series mostly takes place AFTER S3.

As we can see from these three images, the pressure tank was in an entirely different place in SPACE SEED from where it was in THE LIGHTS OF ZETAR. ZETAR also indicates the abandon with which they reconfigured their sets for the need of a shot, ignoring how much floor space was being eaten up.

(A reminder, you're looking at the SET, guys.)

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John Byrne

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Posted: 06 May 2017 at 8:46am | IP Logged | 19 post reply

A few bits and pieces to add, but this is where I'm stopping for today. . .

Blur and noise added.

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Eric Sofer
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Posted: 06 May 2017 at 8:50am | IP Logged | 20 post reply

Couldn't I please look at Lieutenant McGivers just a little bit? I looked at the set, honest... just a little peak at Marla? Please?
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Paul Newland
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Posted: 06 May 2017 at 11:22am | IP Logged | 21 post reply

Maybe her twin sister,  Mary,  should transfer to the Enterprise. 
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John Byrne

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Posted: 06 May 2017 at 1:10pm | IP Logged | 22 post reply

Couldn't I please look at Lieutenant McGivers just a little bit? I looked at the set, honest... just a little peak at Marla? Please?

Well, okay. But don't think you're gonna be getting these little treats all the time!

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John Byrne

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Posted: 17 May 2017 at 8:39am | IP Logged | 23 post reply

Against any possible "return engagement", a little tinkering this morning...

This is all Ps manipulation, no modeling.

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John Byrne

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Posted: 19 May 2017 at 10:07am | IP Logged | 24 post reply

An upcoming issue will be making extensive use of a shuttlecraft, so in order to get consistency in color and grain, I decided this morning to finally bite that particular bullet.

Here's what I have so far. . . .

I'm telling myself that modeling those curved forms at the front and rear edges is going to be the hardest part. (As usual at this point, the mapping, which I found online, is just a place holder while I figure out proper dimensions and placement. It won't be on the final model.)

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John Byrne

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Posted: 19 May 2017 at 11:28am | IP Logged | 25 post reply

An update, and that's the end of the day for this project. More tomorrow!

(The Kirk and Spock image in the window is the "cardboard cutout" I place in my "Matt Jefferies" style apartment set, eventually used in "The Hollow Man.")

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