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John Byrne

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Posted: 09 May 2013 at 6:41pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

You should have spent those two cents some other way, Eric. You seem to have missed the whole point of my drawing.
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Jason Mark Hickok
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Posted: 09 May 2013 at 7:15pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

That is fantastic. Thanks for that.
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Paul Greer
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Posted: 09 May 2013 at 7:29pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

I want that sketch! 
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John Byrne

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Posted: 09 May 2013 at 7:36pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

I want that sketch!

Already gone! Sorry!

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Paul Greer
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Posted: 09 May 2013 at 7:37pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

I knew I should have said pretty please.
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John Byrne

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Posted: 09 May 2013 at 8:42pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Makes me wonder if The Voice would be entirely synthetic, too.

That's what I assumed, watching the movie the first time in 1977. The rythm of the "iron lung" had no effect on Vader's speech.

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Greg Kirkman
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Posted: 09 May 2013 at 9:15pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

As Ben Burtt has said, the early mixes went way overboard, with all
sorts of motor/electronic sounds for Vader, after the concept of The
Duel was established. Eventually, this was pared down to that cold,
rhythmic breathing.

From time to time, I've wondered what the pre-injury Vader of the
original backstory would have looked like.


I seem to recall someone posting a fantasy casting photo of a badass-
looking Christian Bale in the role, which felt about right. I would imagine
an edgy, intense young warrior who would contrast with the older and
more restrained duo of Kenobi and Skywalker.

Before the prequels, I couldn't quite envision the kindly-looking
Sebastian Shaw as being retroactively behind that mask in STAR
WARS and EMPIRE, and I still can't. Nor Christensen. Something
closer to JB's sketch is more what I'd wished for--a monstrous face for
a monstrous person.


And, by the way, as soon as this topic came up, the first thing that
came to mind was, "Sathanas--but worse!", which JB certainly delivered
on.
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Jodi Moisan
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Posted: 09 May 2013 at 10:34pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

I want that sketch!

Already gone! Sorry!

Sorry in that someone else got it (which would be OK) or trashed it?

If the second, I just have one thing to say...........................




Edited by Jodi Moisan on 09 May 2013 at 10:36pm
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John Byrne

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Posted: 10 May 2013 at 4:00am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

I seem to recall someone posting a fantasy casting photo of a badass-looking Christian Bale in the role, which felt about right. I would imagine an edgy, intense young warrior who would contrast with the older and more restrained duo of Kenobi and Skywalker.

Many a moon ago, Glenn Greenberg mentioned Bale as good casting, and I found a picture of Bale looking very much how young Vader had looked in my head.

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John Byrne

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Posted: 10 May 2013 at 4:01am | IP Logged | 10 post reply

By the way -- to spare Jim Warden a potential deluge, this doodle is just that, a doodle, to amuse. It does not mean I will now accept STAR WARS commission requests!
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John Byrne

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Posted: 10 May 2013 at 4:43am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

This reminds us that Lucas really DIDN'T have it "all worked out". In fact, his throwaway reference to Ben having tossed Vader into a volcano, after his student murdered his best friend, TRAPPED Ol' George. All the Warheads glombed onto that, and knew it HAD to be a part of how Annikin became Vader. So we got that stupid, sadistic scene in the "prequel".

The Obi-Wan Kenobi we met in the original STAR WARS could easily have been driven to the point where, in a fit of rage, he threw an enemy into molten lava. But he would not have simply ABANDONED him to such a fate after MUTILATING him!

Of course, the strong, kind, compassionate, NOBLE Kenobi died when the second film was released and Lucas transformed him into a manipulative liar.

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Monte Gruhlke
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Posted: 10 May 2013 at 7:22am | IP Logged | 12 post reply

I still think that Kenobi's comment (and later deemed a protective lie) about Vader "killing Luke's father" doesn't make him the asshat manipulative liar every is eager to make him out to be. Despite Lucas' ham-handed approach in expanding upon the original film, Kenobi still comes off as a someone who is shielding Luke from the horrible truth. 

Let's pretend that Lucas had some of this worked out in advance like he pretends he did how do you think Luke's path in the original movie may have changed if Kenobi would have said something like 

"This was your father's saber. He has been a mass-murderer of men, women and even children for over twenty years. Had he know of you and your twin sister, he would have killed you in your crib. Now he goes by the name of Lord Vader, and he serves the darker, malevolent side of the force. If he has the Princess as the droid suggests, you can be rest-assured that she is suffering greatly under his care if she isn't already dead."
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