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John Byrne

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That "trick" to drawing ellipses was one of the most valuable things I took away from Art College. Perhaps THE most valuable!!
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Darren Taylor
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Stereotypes:

Pearls of Wisdom.

(Throughout this thread.)

Enjoy the line, enjoy the process.

Pearls of Wisdom.

(Great observations.)



(And nary a superhero costume in sight! This is something I think John does extremly well. And I always get the feeling of fun from these "quiet scenes". The funny thing here for me, is I tend to buy -these- sorts of pages, as, for me, there is generaly as much, if not arguably more, skill at work in them, than the ones filled with superheroes and villains. And they are cheaper!)


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Darren Taylor
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---Perhaps THE most valuable!!

I wonder how different thing might have turned out had you -not- attended Alberta College of Art?

There'd be no Kitty Pryde in the X-Men, as a starter.

-D
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John Byrne

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Hm. The character came before the name, so she'd still be there, just called something else.

However, the greater possibility is that had I not gone to ACA, I might not be in comics at all! Some very important dominoes toppled there!

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J W Campbell
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 QUOTE:
The funny thing here for me, is I tend to buy -these- sorts of pages, as, for me, there is generaly as much, if not arguably more, skill at work in them, than the ones filled with superheroes and villains.

Whenever a what-should-I-put-in-my-portfolio thread pops up on a forum, I always tell prospective artists that they should include at least one sequential page of everyday activity: a coffee shop conversation; a couple of guys on a riverbank fishing; a classroom scene… editors see endless portfolios crammed to bursting with improbably proportioned men and women beating the tar out of each other. If you can render clothing, body language, a convincing environment, and still present a mundane scene in a way that engages the reader visually then an editor will sit up and take notice.

It takes a number of genuinely difficult drawing skills to pull off, something many people fail to recognise.
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John Byrne

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As I used to tell young artists who showed me their portfolios, we can train chimps to draw guys in skin tight costumes. What we need is people who can also draw the real world.
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Darren Taylor
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By way of some examples, that I hope are relevant.










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Darren Taylor
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Constructing the form:

Pearls of Wisdom

(Top of the page)



(Full-Fig to the right, is moving from various degrees of completion right-to-left. I thought it served as a good example of the constructive process of starting with shapes and adding definition. The thousand line "wireframe" method appears to be more like a sculpter, pulling the definition & form out of the rough contruct.)



(I subscribe to the constructive method, so have no experience in the other but the main diference -appears- to be that one method, builds the form from the ground up ("balloon") and the other ("wireframe") defines the form from the outside, in. I hope that's right---)


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Tim O'Neill
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This thread is gold - thank you for compiling this, Darren.



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Conrad Teves
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I don't suppose we could sticky the thread?  This is better than a FAQ, to be sure.  If you are an artist, I can't imagine why you wouldn't want to know this stuff.

Great stuff Darren!  Thanks for all the work!
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William Roberge
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JB::What we need is people who can also draw the real world.

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Darren Taylor
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That was precisely the shot I was looking for William, thanks for posting it!

I'm pleased that the thread is being so positively received. So thanks to all the kind words said but really the focus needs to be on finding and recording some of John past (and current) observations. So, as welcome as thanks are, lets try and stay focussed on the point. I'd hate to be a new board member having to wade through "Thanks Darren's" to look for a relevant JB Observation!

I personally have learned a lot about art and story telling from my exposure to John's finished products for decades. I feel, as I do with art in general that these lessons will continue right up until I shuffle off this mortal coil!* How and why John does what he does, lets me understand more about why I draw or picture what I do. Not necessarily by direct effect but also by comparison.

So collating these are as much for me as they are for my fellow board members. So not -entirely- altruistic, there's a good pinch of selfishness in that mixture!

If any other board members want to add JB observations, please feel free to do so.

*(stolen from Hamlet, without apology!)
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Darren Taylor
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Posted: 11 October 2014 at 5:33am | IP Logged | 13 post reply

Observations on Inking/Finishing & Redrawing.

Pearls of Wisdom.

(Throughout the first page of the thread)






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Darren Taylor
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Inking & Pencil grip:

Pearls of Wisdom.

(Top of the thread.)


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Darren Taylor
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Inking & The process of a page (with pictures.)

Pearls of Wisdom.


(Near the top of the thread.)




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Darren Taylor
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Inking curves.

Pearls of Wisdom

(Top of the thread)


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Darren Taylor
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Observations on inking:

Pearls of Wisdom.

(Throughout the thread, but primarily half way down.)




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Darren Taylor
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Some observations on Granduer & Proportions, over three threads:

Pearls of Wisdom 1


Pearls of Wisdom 2

Pearls of Wisdom 3






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Darren Taylor
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Brilliant observations on panel count and story pacing:

Pearls of Wisdom.







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Flavio Sapha
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Great stuff, Darren!!!
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Darren Taylor
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Observations about the starting point of Stories:

Pearls of Wisdom.



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Darren Taylor
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Line Weights perspective and camera angle:

Pearls of Wisdom.

(2-page thread, packed with great observations, right up to the last post of the thread.)


[Edited to sort the URL. Thanks Conrad.]


Edited by Darren Taylor on 22 October 2014 at 5:31am
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Conrad Teves
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Fixed link for above post:   http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=32647 &KW
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Darren Taylor
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Ink Wash:

Pearls of Wisdom.

Duo Tone:

Pearls of Wisdom.

Digital Duo Tone:

Pearls of Wisdom.




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John Byrne

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SHAZAM!!
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