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Michael Hatton
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Posted: 22 March 2005 at 4:46pm | IP Logged | 1  

It kind of annoyed me the way certain writers handled Superman and Magic.

Here is the way Ilook at it and you can tell me if I am wrong.

I never liked them saying that he was vulnerable to Magic.  Some people to that to mean that he was more vulnerable than a normal person.  What they meant was that he was pretty much the same as a normal person when it came to magic. 

Even then there is still something wrong with that statement.  For instance, I would not say that I am vulnerable to uncooked Spaghetti Noodles, but if you hurl one at me at 10 times the speed of sound it could kill me. 

It is the same way with Superman.  If someone enchants a knife so that it is twice as strong as it would normally be, it still would not hurt Superman.  If someone enchanted it so that it could cut through anything then it would hurt Superman. 

It depends on the spell.  Someone may create a creature from Magic just because that creature is created with Magic does not necessarily mean it can hurt Superman it depends on the creatures properties. 



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Kevin Pierce
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Posted: 22 March 2005 at 4:48pm | IP Logged | 2  

Goes back to the old argument, would Thor's hammer  K.O. which the answer would be "Yes"
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Ron Farrell
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Posted: 22 March 2005 at 5:19pm | IP Logged | 3  

The enchantments of Thor's hammer have nothing to do with hitting power, so whether or not it knocks Superman out depends on how clean a shot Thor gets out of his right arm.

Kurt Buisek got it right in JLA/Avengers: it took out Superman when he wasn't ready, he stopped it when he was.

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John Byrne

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Posted: 22 March 2005 at 5:26pm | IP Logged | 4  

Superman has no special vulnerability to magic. He just has no defense against it, like thee and me.

As to the question of Thor's hammer, it would be like Lou Ferrigno hitting Ah-nold with a sledge hammer.

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Mike O'Brien
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Posted: 22 March 2005 at 5:41pm | IP Logged | 5  

 John Byrne wrote:
As to the question of Thor's hammer, it would be like Lou Ferrigno hitting Ah-nold with a sledge hammer.

Speaking as a deeply ashamed Californian...

How I wish!

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Kevin Pierce
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Posted: 22 March 2005 at 6:28pm | IP Logged | 6  

Kurt Buisek got it right in JLA/Avengers: it took out Superman when he wasn't ready, he stopped it when he was.


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I disagree, there is no way Superman should've stopped Thor's hammer. And shame for Joey Q, for approving that to happen.




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Ron Farrell
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Posted: 22 March 2005 at 6:47pm | IP Logged | 7  

Jeez... they played it fair, Superman beat Thor, Batman conceded to Cap.

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Robert White
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Posted: 22 March 2005 at 6:54pm | IP Logged | 8  

 Ron Farrell wrote:

The enchantments of Thor's hammer have nothing to do with hitting power, so whether or not it knocks Superman out depends on how clean a shot Thor gets out of his right arm.

Kurt Buisek got it right in JLA/Avengers: it took out Superman when he wasn't ready, he stopped it when he was.



Not so, Thor can charge Mjolnir with magical energy (Unfettered Might) to increase its hitting power. Of course, Thor couldn't do that because Superman's "I Was First!" aura would prevent that particular attack from functioning...

All sarcasm aside, I don't care how "ready" Superman is, if Thor tags him like he did Exitar (the Celestial!) Superman is off to meet his folks. Nuff said!
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Eric Lund
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Posted: 22 March 2005 at 7:06pm | IP Logged | 9  

Busiek got it wrong on all counts...
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Ray Brady
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Posted: 22 March 2005 at 7:19pm | IP Logged | 10  

 Robert White wrote:
Thor can charge Mjolnir with magical energy (Unfettered Might) to increase its hitting power.

Thor CAN do that. In this particular case, he DIDN'T do that, because he had Superman on the ropes. Superman surprised him. Next time, Thor would have the advantage.

I'm baffled as to why this scene has elicited so much controversy.

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Kevin Pierce
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Posted: 22 March 2005 at 8:11pm | IP Logged | 11  

Jeez... they played it fair, Superman beat Thor, Batman conceded to Cap.

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So, so, I mean Superman beating Thor in the MU is not the same as Batman saying "You could beat me", Thor shoud've lost in Superman in the DCU and Captain America should have given Batman the beat down.

 

 

 

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Kevin Pierce
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Posted: 22 March 2005 at 8:15pm | IP Logged | 12  

Thor CAN do that. In this particular case, he DIDN'T do that, because he had Superman on the ropes. Superman surprised him. Next time, Thor would have the advantage. I'm baffled as to why this scene has elicited so much controversy.

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The Hammer is still magic in nature so I still don't believe Superman could've or should've stopped it.

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