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Brian Floyd
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Posted: 12 April 2017 at 12:18pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

That's probably where they got the idea from....

I quit watching the show over a season ago, but watched most of the previous week's episode. Isn't the real Ward dead?


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David Allen Perrin
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The 'Ward' you are seeing is a construct of "The Framework".

He isn't real.  
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Ronald Joseph
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The 'Ward' you are seeing is a construct of "The Framework".

He isn't real.

They've laid the groundwork to bring him back once The Framework story ends (if they want). "Heroic Framework Ward" gets downloaded into an LMD and is back on the team. I have to admit, I'd rather enjoy that and the weird dynamic it'd add to the show. 

I'd gotten so used to hating him as a villain, but in the one episode I've seen so far, he won me back. Looking forward to what they come up with.    
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Anthony J Lombardi
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Posted: 12 April 2017 at 4:40pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

I like Ward I missed him on the show. If he does indeed get downloaded into LMD. That would be an interesting way to return the character to the show.
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Eric Sofer
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Originally on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.*, I saw them as a type of Avengers (NOT an exact one-to-one, okay?) where Coulson was the leader, Fitz and Simmons were the team smart guys, and Ward and May were the action guys.** And Skye was the new kid and new talent (hacker) who was the persona for the viewers to get integrated with S.H.I.E.L.D.

I was kinda sad when Ward turned, but goodness, it was fun.

Then Ward was killed on that alien planet, and HIVE took his body and returned. Further interest because I like that actor.

This current arc of AoS is fascinating to me - I'm enjoying it more and more! Is Ward coming back? Okay with me!

CONSIDERATIONS: I was hoping for a cameo or two in the Framework (which still might come, I s'pose) - maybe Anthony Mackie, Paul Rudd - shucks, even Evans or Downey or Jackson in a photo or wanted poster. I was REALLY hoping for a Haley Atwelll guest shot... well, again, it's not impossible.

They had me before, but this arc has REALLY got me on the edge of my seat!

*Stands for Supreme Headquarters International Espionage and Law-enforcement Division. Thbbt.
** "Guys" being generic, of course. No offense intended.
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Ronald Joseph
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They had me before, but this arc has REALLY got me on the edge of my seat!

Yeah, they are really kicking it up a notch - and I though they'd already been doing that!

I'm betting Mace shows up in full Patriot gear or better yet - as Captain America with (the shield!) - before this story ends.

Coulson even said
 INVISO TEXT (Click or highlight to reveal):
"I did a few sketches" (in relation to his outfit and what he may look like)
when they met. 

So much fun they can have here...I hope they don't waste the opportunity!
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Michael Roberts
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Posted: 13 April 2017 at 9:34am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

So AIDA designed the Framework to remove each person's one biggest
regret. May's obviously involved the Inhuman child she was unable to
save. I'm guessing Fitz' was about his dad, and Fitz is an asshole in the
Framework because his father stayed in his life. Mace is an actual hero
instead of just lying about it. What are Mack and Coulson's regrets?
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Ronald Joseph
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Posted: 13 April 2017 at 10:01am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

What are Mack and Coulson's regrets?

Mack couldn't save his daughter in the real world and she died.

Coulson seems to be a wild card in that respect. Might be a "big reveal" down the line? 
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Brian Rhodes
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Posted: 13 April 2017 at 10:05am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

One may be meeting superheroes and dying?

Could be why there are none in the framework (so far...)


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Byron Graham
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Coultron said a couple of episodes back that all of Coulson's regrets stemmed from being a SHIELD Agent. That's why Coulson is a teacher in the Framework.


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Michael Roberts
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One may be meeting superheroes and dying?

Could be whey there are none in the framework (so far...)

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Coulson was involved in Iron Man and Thor's formations as heroes, as
well as the recovery of Captain America. He was also pivotal in keeping
the Avengers together as a team in their initial outing. His absence as a
SHIELD agent would have ripple effects.
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Brian Rhodes
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Posted: 14 April 2017 at 11:15am | IP Logged | 12 post reply

I'm not sure Thor's story would have been much different. Coulson and SHIELD were kinda the antagonists in their interactions  Couslon didn't "inspire" Thor as much as consider him a potential threat to be dealt with, as any agents in either organization probably would have.

No Fury. No Romanov. No Barton. No Thor...so...no Asgard? No Thanos? No other worlds besides Earth in the Framework?

Seems like a custom-made world for Coulson...






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Byron Graham
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Whatever changes exist in the Framework were engineered by AIDA. It's basically her fanfiction world. So there won't really be a causality like "Because Coulson wasn't in SHIELD, the Avengers didn't happen." The Framework reality is whatever AIDA wants it to be.
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Michael Roberts
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Whatever changes exist in the Framework were engineered by AIDA.
It's basically her fanfiction world. So there won't really be a causality
like "Because Coulson wasn't in SHIELD, the Avengers didn't happen."
The Framework reality is whatever AIDA wants it to be.

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My impression was that the Framework was still following "the rules".
AIDA is certainly nudging things to her needs and taking advantage of
the loopholes in her programming, but she's still obeying the criteria
that Radcliffe set for her. Otherwise, why wouldn't she just redesign the
Framework so that she controls everything?

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Doug Centers
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Posted: 14 April 2017 at 4:19pm | IP Logged | 15 post reply

It seems 'Project Looking Glass' may be AIDA's way of getting control of the Framework or possibly somehow sending aspects of that world into the real world. Gonna be fun!
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Dave Kopperman
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Posted: 19 April 2017 at 5:51pm | IP Logged | 16 post reply

I like how hard SHIELD is doubling down on the political allegory - and making it clear where the creative team's heart is.  It will no doubt lose them some conservative viewers (and I wouldn't blame them - I'd be pretty annoyed if a show I enjoyed started calling out 'snowflakes' or some shit), but I'm impressed with the stance and I hope it wins the show some well-deserved audience attention.

On a purely entertainment level, it remains my favorite show currently on the air.  Great season with barely a missed beat.
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Michael Roberts
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Posted: 19 April 2017 at 6:25pm | IP Logged | 17 post reply

I like how hard SHIELD is doubling down on the political allegory - and
making it clear where the creative team's heart is.

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Yeah, they were being coy before, but the Elizabeth Warren shoutout
removed all deniability. I was amused.
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Michael Roberts
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Posted: 26 April 2017 at 12:52am | IP Logged | 18 post reply

Over/under on Ward getting put into the Looking Glass machine and
crossing over into the real world?
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David Allen Perrin
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Posted: 26 April 2017 at 2:08pm | IP Logged | 19 post reply

"Nevertheless...she persisted"

"Alternative Facts"

"I know a great place where we can shop for furniture" (or something to 
 that effect) - referring to Trump taking a woman who accused him of sexual harassment furniture shopping.



Yeah, the AOS writers are no fans of today's political climate.


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Anthony J Lombardi
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Posted: 26 April 2017 at 3:05pm | IP Logged | 20 post reply

One more reason for me to like the show.
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Eric Sofer
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Posted: 27 April 2017 at 3:56am | IP Logged | 21 post reply

Michael Roberts, I'm hearing 6-5 and even money on Grant returning. Great character interaction, great tension, and always the possibility that Aida has sabotaged his LMD for future shenanigans... :D
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Brian Rhodes
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My impression was that the Framework was still following "the rules".

Right. Why would Aida even make Daisy/Skye an Inhuman? There seems to be some "skeleton" of reality the Framework needed to be built around.




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Brian Miller
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Posted: 28 April 2017 at 7:12am | IP Logged | 23 post reply

Trip!
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Brian Miller
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So, in this latest episode, Aida has discovered how to create living matter. If Ward comes back, I predict it will be thru this somehow. 
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Bryan Eacret
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"Trip!"

Ditto! I really like the character.
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