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Bill Collins
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Brian https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=sea rch-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=KISS+VEGAS Sorry if the link doesn`t work,but the Vegas show is on dvd/bluray!
Edited by Bill Collins on 11 November 2016 at 6:33am
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Brian Miller
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Setlist jams thru first 7-8 tunes. Then just same ol' same ol'.
I'd buy that if it wasn't 79 freakin' dollars!!
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Brian Miller
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Man. Just once I wish they'd do a series of shows where the setlists were done Jam-band style where they were vastly different each night and pulled from the deepest of the deep cuts. I'd definitely do multiple shows on a tour like that.
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Brian Miller
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Walmart has the DVD/CD set for $15 bucks. Haven't watch the DVD yet but I'm about halfway through the CD now. They are tuning down a full step instead of just a half step like they used to do. I'm sure it's to accommodate Paul's aging voice. It does make some of the songs sound even nastier like Parasite and even Tears are Falling.
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Brian Miller
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| Posted: 11 November 2016 at 2:57pm | IP Logged | 5
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God of Thunder sounds downright evil tuned down lower. 😳
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Robbie Parry
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God of Thunder sounds downright evil tuned down lower.
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I'll have to try that. ;-)
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Shaun Barry
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So if this is now a general KISS thread:
MUSIC FROM "THE ELDER"... a rightly-ridiculed travesty, or an underrated gem?
I love it... my only exceptions being some slightly dippy & pretentious lyrics; an overly-affected vocal style from Paul Stanley in some songs; and, you know, just that they called this a KISS album. Had it been treated as some sort of "side project" instead, maybe with a new & different band name, perhaps fans would have thought better of it?
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I think it's fine. Not great, not terrible. I certainly like it more than UNMASKED. Just another attempt to change things up like they always did before.
First, they started in the Zep-influenced form.
Second, they went for the pop-influenced stuff because disco was big.
Then, they decided to go with pretentious art-rock. It didn't necessarily work like they wanted it to, but it's part of what makes them Kiss. Plus, it's the only album with Eric Carr and Ace.
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Brian Rhodes
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MUSIC FROM "THE ELDER"... a rightly-ridiculed travesty, or an underrated gem?
A little bit of both? Some pretty good songs on there. I love "I", and "Dark Light" has the last really great Ace Frehley solo with the band.
"A World Without Heroes" has long been a personal favorite.
Some of it is kinda goofy. But overall, I like it.
Got slightly better with the 1997 remaster, where the songs were put in a more linear story order.
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Finishing the Rocks Vegas disc. One of the finest live showings in a while. A great treat for me is that Eric is using the double bass like he was in the early to mid 90s. A strong set.
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Bill Collins
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I just remembered,i saw Kiss live on the Sonic Boom tour too,how did i forget that?????? As for The Elder,i love it,can`t fault any of the songs,just a bit disappointing that the story isn`t very cohesive! What a great instrumental in Escape From The Island! Anyone heard Cher`s cover of A World Without Heroes?
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Shaun Barry
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THE ELDER will always be an oddity, chronologically sandwiched between one of their poorest albums (UNMASKED) and one of their best (CREATURES OF THE NIGHT). The concept album, story arc and musical approach of the songs seem to have come out of the blue, for a band mostly noted for their "party all night" and "I'm awesome--let's f__k" tunes, but I had kind of an epiphany about THE ELDER a few years back:
If you made yourself a burned-CD (or mixtape, back in the day!) of some of KISS' darker tunes or more obscure cuts, you might have a fascinating "Prelude to THE ELDER," which would more seamlessly blend straight into their notorious 1981 commercial dud. Play these to yourself in advance of your next listen of MUSIC FROM "THE ELDER" and you might be surprised how much better and more convincing the album as a whole could sound:
100,000 YEARS
BLACK DIAMOND
PARASITE
GOIN' BLIND
STRANGE WAYS
SHE
GOD OF THUNDER
GREAT EXPECTATIONS
I WANT YOU
ALMOST HUMAN
ALWAYS NEAR YOU/NOWHERE TO HIDE
AIN'T QUITE RIGHT
FRACTURED MIRROR
X-RAY EYES
NAKED CITY
(I went chronological with the list... I'm sure a much better sequence is in order!)
Edited by Shaun Barry on 12 November 2016 at 8:49am
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