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Bill Collins
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Posted: 20 November 2016 at 11:05am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

I like Great Expectations! I also like Charisma,the only track i am not keen on from Dynasty is Easy Livin`! Which reminds me...after buying Dynasty i was annoyed to find my brother had coloured in the whites of the bands eyes on the cover,red for Gene,blue for Ace,purple for Paul and Green for Peter,grrrrrrr!
Also,a local record shop was selling Dynasty a whole pound cheaper than elsewhere,i found out why,they were selling the poster separately for 1! Was that legal,even in 1979?
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Brian Miller
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Posted: 20 November 2016 at 12:55pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

I love Charisma!

And I'm not necessarily saying I dislike GE. I'm just saying it sticks out like a sore thumb on DESTROYER. 
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Brian Miller
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Posted: 20 November 2016 at 12:58pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

I've got a boot from one of the acoustic convention shows wher they play part of Charisma, then Gene starts playing the earlier version from the Wicked Lester days that was named something else. I can't remember the original title tho. 
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Robbie Parry
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Posted: 20 November 2016 at 3:26pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

I'm just saying it sticks out like a sore thumb on DESTROYER.

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It does, but, in my view, so does "Beth" (which isn't a bad song, it just sticks out like a sore thumb).
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Brian Miller
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Posted: 20 November 2016 at 5:22pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

It totally does. But it's their biggest hit ever, so they were on to SOMETHING, right? Of course, it was probably just them throwing Pete a bone...
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Robbie Parry
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Posted: 20 November 2016 at 6:21pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

It also makes it an odd one to recommend to a KISS novice. I've said I'd recommend DESTROYER to a novice - I still would - but after listening to "Detroit Rock City" or "God of Thunder", they would be in for a surprise once "Beth" plays. 
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Shaun Barry
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Posted: 20 November 2016 at 9:41pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply


"Great Expectations" sounds like it should have been saved for Gene's 1978 solo album.


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Bill Collins
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Posted: 20 November 2016 at 11:00pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

What is wrong with a bit of variety? They`e called `albums` for a reason! If it were any other band that had dabbled in different styles and genres they`d be labelled as Progressive and inventive! Gene is a big Beatles fan,it`s obvious some of their adventurousness has influenced him,i`m not denying that the urge to make money was a partial factor,but after the huge success of Beth you can forgive them for not writing loads more in a similar vein to cash in!
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Bill Collins
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Posted: 20 November 2016 at 11:02pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Whilst i think about it...anyone seen Paul on Youtube singing Tracks Of My Tears? Bloody brilliant!
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Robbie Parry
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Posted: 25 November 2016 at 4:44pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

Worth sharing:

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John Popa
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Posted: 26 November 2016 at 8:44am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

I watched some clips from the recent Kiss Kruise - those shows are fun because they play a lot of deep cuts, instead of the usual shit setlist they play on tour. This year's theme was 'Creatures of the Night' but they only played 'Keep Me Comin' and 'Rock and Roll Hell' as deep cuts from the record (despite the audience really wanting to hear 'Danger' based on noise from bootlegs.) They did play a couple tunes from Gene and Paul's solo albums ("Radioactive" and "Wouldn't You Like To Know Me.") They played "Creatures" and "I Love It Loud" of course.

I don't know if there's a bigger story behind it or not but Eric Singer didn't wear Eric Carr's makeup even though everyone else wore Creatures-era costumes. Tommy didn't wear Vinnie's makeup either, but he does wear the outfit Ace wore on the few appearances he made for 'Creatures.'

Paul still can't sing and Tommy Thayer still bugs the crap out of me but, otherwise, if you're interested, the clips are fun to watch (and, of course, the entire shows are on YouTube.)

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Shaun Barry
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Posted: 26 November 2016 at 11:51am | IP Logged | 12 post reply


Written like a true, conflicted KISS fan, John! I love it! :)

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Bill Collins
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Posted: 26 November 2016 at 12:45pm | IP Logged | 13 post reply

I know Paul`s voice can be a bit rough nowadays live,but i think he`s a decent enough rock singer considering his age! 
On a related note,i`ve twice been caught out listening to Planet Rock when the D.J. has announced `Next we have a Bon Jovi song that is also a rubbish Gene Simmons movie` i think great it`s Runaway,but it ends up being Wanted Dead Or Alive!
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John Popa
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Posted: 26 November 2016 at 1:20pm | IP Logged | 14 post reply

I think Paul is one of the great voices in rock history. It's impossible to sing like that at his age, it's just depressing to hear. As much as people talk about KISS replacing everyone with an official cover band, my problem with every KISS cover band is that no one can sing like Paul Stanley. Finding an Ace, Gene and Peter is easy.
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Robbie Parry
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Posted: 26 November 2016 at 1:27pm | IP Logged | 15 post reply

Good points, John.

Without derailing the thread, Black Veil Brides, anyone? 
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John Popa
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Posted: 26 November 2016 at 2:23pm | IP Logged | 16 post reply

Honestly, "Dynasty" is my favorite KISS album. I think the 'disco' tag is a bit unfair. Sure "I Was Made" was a crossover hit but the rest of the record is pretty straight-forward rock. Peter's song  is weak but Gene and Ace contribute some really great songs (and how often does Gene really deliver!)  "Magic Touch" and "Sure Know Something" are two of my favorite KISS songs of all-time.  I get that "Destroyer" and "Rock and Roll Over" are more classic 70's hard rock records but, still, if I'm going to throw in a KISS record, it's probably going to be "Dynasty." 
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Shaun Barry
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Posted: 26 November 2016 at 5:11pm | IP Logged | 17 post reply


You can hear the cracks a little more obviously on DYNASTY, and it's an uneven album, compared to everything else leading up to LOVE GUN, but I still think it's a solid KISS album.

Certainly better than the next entry, UNMASKED, which could very well get my vote as the weakest KISS album ever produced.


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Robbie Parry
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Posted: 27 November 2016 at 6:19pm | IP Logged | 18 post reply

KISS certainly went off on a tangent at times, moreso than other bands. UNMASKED was another departure.
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Brian Miller
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Posted: 27 November 2016 at 8:06pm | IP Logged | 19 post reply

KISS was never a trend-setting band. They were followers, not leaders. 
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Robbie Parry
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Posted: 28 November 2016 at 9:38am | IP Logged | 20 post reply

Pretty good followers, though. ;-) 
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Robbie Parry
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Posted: 28 November 2016 at 2:52pm | IP Logged | 21 post reply

What, no tour in Scotland?

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Bill Collins
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Posted: 28 November 2016 at 10:38pm | IP Logged | 22 post reply

I expect U.K. shows will be announced,Download is usually first weekend of June,but headliners have already been announced!
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Brian Rhodes
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Posted: 01 December 2016 at 8:11pm | IP Logged | 23 post reply

KISS was never a trend-setting band. They were followers, not leaders.

I swear I've heard Pete Townshend say all musicians are thieves and magpies. But in researching it, I've found it's more often attributed to Elvis Costello.

I guess Pete was just appropriately repeating something he'd heard...
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Shaun Barry
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Posted: 01 December 2016 at 9:17pm | IP Logged | 24 post reply


For better or for worse, it's pretty much true.

The other day, I heard one of the '80s hits from the band HEART on the radio (one I hadn't heard in ages), and could have sworn it had a recognizable bent to it, by way of CRAZY NIGHTS, from KISS.

Sure enough, after a bit of internet research: The HEART hit was from '85, produced by Ron Nevison. CRAZY NIGHTS came out two years later, produced by... Ron Nevison--a newbie to the KISS camp at the time.


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Bill Collins
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Posted: 01 December 2016 at 10:50pm | IP Logged | 25 post reply

Ron Nevison was quite a popular producer in the 70`s and 80`s,he produced UFO,Michael Schenker,Ozzy etc.I`d look more to co-writers for similar sounding songs,Desmond Child,Diane Warren were the main culprits!
So Robbie,Kiss announced a U.K. tour in May,are you going? I`m unfortunately on holiday!
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