Well, this seems like a good example of what I'm talking about.  The media commentary about Trump and "his" policies at the border don't seem to align with reality.

Kids were held in "cages" is all anyone hears or remembers.  Conjuring images of dogs in crates or P.O.W.'s being tortured.  But temporarily held in a chain link enclosure is not the same thing.  It's dishonest if you ask me.

Enforcing a zero tolerance application of the laws that are already in place may be extreme or dispassionate but it's also resulted in lower illegal immigration.

It is sad that families have to be separated but I don't put that on law enforcement.  Those families chose to take the risk and knew they were taking a risk.  They chose to risk being separated from their children.  I don't agree that Trump is a monster because he addressed the illegal immigration problem by enforcing the law.

When I used to work in IT, we had an area in the basement to store obsolete equipment. It was a chain link enclosure that we referred to as... *wait for it* a cage. Because a chain link enclosure is a cage. Crazy.

But that's beside the point. You can go back and forth over semantics about what an enclosure should be called or whether children ended up in enclosures during the Obama administration. The real issue is that children were placed in those enclosure as a matter of policy in unacceptable conditions. But by all means, complain about how the word "cage" is unfair.

Except it did not. Note that the "border crisis" increased /despite/ the family separation policy.

Border arrests are down now, but that's due to the "Remain in Mexico" policy. The sustainability of that is in question because it requires the cooperation of Mexico.

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Are you serious? You call it dishonest, but what about it is untrue? They were children. They were in cages. It's hard to mistake that image.

Dogs in crates or P.O.W.'s being tortured... it sure seems the same to me. In my opinion, a six year old taken from his parents and throw into a cage with no sanitary facilities, and as far as I hear, no medical facilities or treatment, food and water served in bowls more suited to animals... I guess your concept of torture and mine differ.

As for temporarily... how many of those families, after two years, have been reunited? CAN they ever be reunited? The Federal government seems none too urgent to address this matter.

This seems as heinous to me as killing babies. Except that these children have to survive.

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WWE fans attending a cage match should demand their money back for being misled.

Read about Trump saying Coronavirus death rate is 3.4%: "I think the 3.4% number is really a false number. Now this is just my hunch, but based on a lot of conversations ... personally, I'd say the number is way under 1%."

Astoundingly F'N irresponsible.

Also, Trump blames his administration's failure to conduct testing for the coronavirus (less than 500 tests as of last Friday) on... OBAMA.

This clown has to GO. 

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In 45s world, blame the brown guy. It'll rile up his supporters

I think the zero tolerance approach is reasonable considering the problem at hand.  And is it that unreasonable to think that some of these "families" were just using the kids to get released from custody?  Under the old approach, that's exactly what was being done and not all of those being released were parents.  They were "guardians".  

Also, many of the kids that were detained were kids that were captured without any guardian.  

And all of it stems from people trying to enter the country illegally.  If they had not done that and not made the conscious decision to put their family at risk, they wouldn't have been separated.  And that isn't even the policy any more.  

They separated kids from those who were under arrest for a while and then they changed the policy.  Illegal immigration is down, families have been reunited and they aren't separating them anymore.  Why is any of that monstrous?  It's a big problem and they took an approach that got modified along the way.

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Yes. It’s not policy any more. So why do you keep trying to credit it for immigration being down? It’s not responsible for that. That big migrant caravan that Trump kept touting as a huge crisis was still coming despite the child separation policy and border arrests went down AFTER it ended. So why do you keep trying to link the two? As I said, what’s credited for illegal immigration down is the “Remain in Mexico” policy. Which can only last as long as Mexico will put up with it. All the child separation policy did was traumatize and mistreat a bunch of kids who had no control over what their parents did.