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Peter Martin
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Posted: 16 May 2017 at 6:35am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

And his allies may decide they have an absolute right to stop sharing highly classified info with him if he is going to put sources at risk.
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David Miller
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Posted: 16 May 2017 at 8:36am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

I was a political science major, and for some reason, I just assumed that while the president has an expansive right to de-classify materials, there was a legal process involved, like signing a form or something. I didn't know it was a de facto kind of thing. Jesus that degree gets even more worthless. 
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Steve De Young
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Posted: 16 May 2017 at 9:31am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

He does have a certain set of skills....

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Peter Martin
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Posted: 16 May 2017 at 11:52am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Reports now suggest that it was Israel who collected the sensitive information that was then allegedly shared with Russia by Trump.

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Charles Valderrama
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Posted: 16 May 2017 at 12:55pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Just read that here:


If true, that makes this situation even more serious than first reported.

Let's get this clown out of the White House already!!

UPDATE: Seems there are reports saying Israeli Ambassador is okay with Trump sharing intel with Russians.

-C!


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Brian Miller
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Posted: 16 May 2017 at 8:09pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

And now it's revealed that Trump asked Comey to drop the case against Flynn the day after Flynn was shitcanned. How about that for obstruction of justice?

Surely by now the Republicans realize he's on his way down, down, down. 
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Andrew Bitner
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Posted: 17 May 2017 at 7:01am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

He'd also asked Comey to look into jailing reporters for publishing classified information.

THAT is f***ing terrifying.

I'm hoping Comey's notes blow the roof off Trump's pathetic sham of an administration, but so far, he's been bulletproof thanks to a complicit GOP-dominated Congress. Here's hoping 2018 flushes them out of the system.
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Kevin Hagerman
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Posted: 17 May 2017 at 8:22am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

What the fuck would Trump have to gain by getting rid of the head of the census bureau? 

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I don't think there's necessarily any connection there.  But the Census is a Big Deal and needs a firm hand on the tiller.  It's sort of a précis of what's wrong with this entire administration: it doesn't have people in place who are invested in their responsibilities.  Hell, in many, many positions there aren't people in place at all.

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Peter Martin
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Posted: 17 May 2017 at 8:41am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Lengthy CNBC Op-Ed piece about the mealy-mouthed nature of the Trump administration and the questionable integrity of even its more respected members: LINK
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Dave Kopperman
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Posted: 17 May 2017 at 9:50am | IP Logged | 10 post reply

 Kevin Hagerman wrote:
[They don't] have people in place who are invested in their responsibilities.  Hell, in many, many positions there aren't people in place at all.

And the people who are in place are actively opposed to the stated mission of the department in their charge.
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Charles Valderrama
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Trump delivered the commencement address at the Coast Guard Academy. In his address, he complained that no politician has “been treated worse or more unfairly” than he has.

I immediately had flashbacks of last year's Republican primaries!!

Guess he can dish it out but can't take it!!! What a dope!!

-C!
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David Miller
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Posted: 17 May 2017 at 11:39am | IP Logged | 12 post reply

One might think Abraham Lincoln, John Kennedy, James Garfield and William McKinley were treated worse. 
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Kevin Hagerman
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Posted: 17 May 2017 at 12:50pm | IP Logged | 13 post reply

No sense of decorum whatsoever.
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Peter Martin
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The stock market is taking this latest scandal seriously. The various other White House controversies since Trump took office have been like water off a duck's back as far as the stock market has gone, but the market is seriously crapping off today -- the S&P 500 is down about 1.5%.

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Rich Marzullo
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Posted: 17 May 2017 at 6:07pm | IP Logged | 15 post reply

And we have a special counselor (finally) appointed to lead the Trump-Russia investigation: Robert Mueller, former FBI Director.

This whole Trump presidency thing is unraveling rather quickly. 
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Scott Morrissey
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Posted: 17 May 2017 at 8:21pm | IP Logged | 16 post reply

“No politician in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly”.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2017/live-updates/tr ump-white-house/trump-comey-and-russia-how-key-washington-pl ayers-are-reacting/trump-says-no-president-has-been-treated- more-unfairly/?utm_term=.0dd5e1a9363d


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David Miller
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Posted: 17 May 2017 at 9:24pm | IP Logged | 17 post reply

It's pretty rich listening to conservatives whine about being bullied. Is victimhood the new last refuge of scoundrels?
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Vinny Valenti
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Posted: 17 May 2017 at 9:32pm | IP Logged | 18 post reply

"No politician in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly”.

Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley, and Kennedy would beg to differ.
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Vinny Valenti
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Posted: 17 May 2017 at 9:37pm | IP Logged | 19 post reply

Oh, and a good time to bring this up again:

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Jason Czeskleba
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Posted: 18 May 2017 at 12:12am | IP Logged | 20 post reply

It's a funny joke, but criticizing Ryan for lacking a spine misses the point.  Acting against your own self-interest in order to do what's right does not require bravery, it requires unselfishness.  It's not cowardice that keeps Ryan from speaking out against Trump, it's calculated self interest.  If at any point it becomes clear that Trump poses more hindrance than help to Ryan's all-consuming goals of enacting massive tax cuts for the very wealthy and dismantling the social safety net, he will be the first in line to support impeachment. 


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Vinny Valenti
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Posted: 18 May 2017 at 6:24am | IP Logged | 21 post reply

Whoops and sorry David Miller, I should have scrolled up
To see that you beat me to it before posting!


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Charles Valderrama
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Posted: 18 May 2017 at 7:35am | IP Logged | 22 post reply

It's not cowardice that keeps Ryan from speaking out against Trump, it's calculated self interest.
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Ryan IS a coward (among of things!) because he let Trump disrespect him throughout the campaign and even a few times earlier this year... and STILL supported him! Sorry, but I don't believe "calculated self-interest" justifies going thru that in public. Ryan's leaving himself quite a legacy.

-C!


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David Miller
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Posted: 18 May 2017 at 8:38am | IP Logged | 23 post reply

Vinny: High five!
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Jason Czeskleba
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 Charles Valderrama wrote:
Ryan IS a coward (among of things!) because he let Trump disrespect him throughout the campaign and even a few times earlier this year... and STILL supported him!

Ryan is very single-minded about his goals.  He wants to enact very large tax cuts for the rich which will significantly increase the deficit, then he wants to use that resultant growth in the deficit as an excuse to say we have to end Medicare and make massive cuts in social security.  This is the entire focus of his political career.  Everything else is secondary.

Standing up to Trump's criticism during the campaign would have made Trump less likely to win the election, which would have made it much less likely he could achieve the above policy goals.  At this point, he continues to believe that criticizing Trump would impair his policy goals, so he doesn't do it.  I do not see that as fear, but as simple pragmatism.  He is willing to swallow his pride and look like Trump's bitch if he feels it will ultimately help him get what he wants.  If at any time that changes, he will be first in line to attack Trump.

Calling upon him to be brave and do "the right thing" presupposes that he has some sense of morality and public-spiritedness about his role as a leader.  I've seen no evidence that is the case.  He is a deeply selfish man, dedicated to increasing the power and wealth of others who are deeply selfish, and that is all that guides his actions.  


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Thom Price
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Posted: 18 May 2017 at 5:11pm | IP Logged | 25 post reply

Someone can be two things.  Ryan can be both a coward and driven by self-interest.

While I have zero sympathy for them, being a Republican in the Age of Trump is no easy feat.  Any Republican who is overly critical of Trump runs a serious risk of alienating a large segment of their own base who still support Trump.  People on the other side of the aisle seem to lose sight of the fact that, so far, there's virtually no evidence that Trump's base is turning against him.  Any Republican who opposes Trump might please the Democrats and the media, but they will be shooting themselves in the foot with their own voters.
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