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David Miller
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Posted: 21 October 2020 at 9:38pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Man, that Obama speech was amazing. Or maybe I'm just starved for elocution.
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David Miller
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Posted: 21 October 2020 at 11:10pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

OMG

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Bakalova tells Giuliani she’s nervous during the interview. “I’ll relax you,” he tells her while drinking whiskey. After blaming the coronavirus on China, he makes a remark about eating bats (an apparent reference to one theory of how humans contracted the virus) and asks Bakalova, “Have you ever eaten a bat?” She bats her eyelashes and invites him into the adjoining bedroom for a drink. Unbeknownst to him, the room is wired with hidden recording equipment.

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James Woodcock
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Posted: 22 October 2020 at 12:00am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

This is really bad.But I can’t believe (well I can actually) that Trump’s
response to Obama’s take down of him, is to call him Barack Hussain
Obama.

. Racist much?

Why not address the lack of policies? Has Trump ever really mentioned
a single policy during this whole campaign? Or has he just thrown
insults & fabrications out? Because that’s what it seems like

Edit: i know it’s his name, but we all know what Trump was implying.

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Matt Reed
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Posted: 22 October 2020 at 1:34am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

 Dave Kopperman wrote:
I recall some fire/brimstone types thinking the same thing about Reagan - making hay out of the fact that his first, middle, and last name each had... SIX LETTERS!

This stuff is nothing new for evangelicals.  I'm a PK (preacher's kid).  I remember in the 70s when UPC symbols were just starting to make their way onto boxes, cans and books.  My late father and many among his friends thought that it was "the mark of the devil", that pretty soon we would all have UPC codes stamped upon us and that the "end times" were just around the corner. This was the precursor to microchips. My father lived in a perpetual state of "the end times are near" that I'm quite sure many here have experienced with a relative, loved one or friend over their lifetimes.

This is not new.  People have "prophesied" that the end of the world is coming in nearly every single text as far back as we can date them.  Why?  We want to appear important, as if what we do in this moment can have some sort of affect.  We, as human beings, don't want to imagine we are born, live and die without having some sort of immediate impact or control.  That's why things like climate change, national debt, systemic racism, chronic homelessness, education reform, and substantial changes to health care (among thousands of other decisions big and small) are constantly punted down the line. They have no immediate impact.  They are meant not to improve our lives in our lifetimes, but give hope that decisions now will eventually change things for the better when we're not around.  No.  Instead we're left fighting about mail-in ballots, election rigging, masks, social distancing in a fucking pandemic and whatever else Trump and the Republicans deem is the next front in the culture war.  

It's fucking exhausting.  
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James Woodcock
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Posted: 22 October 2020 at 2:24am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

There is a really weird mindset amongst right wing
Christians.

There is this whole 'living in the end times' thing,
elevated because they want to feel that they are the most
important Christians that have ever lived (and yes, I do
include Jesus in that list), but there is this obsession
that they want to be able to claim that they are being
persecuted.

So they just make stuff up, or pick fights where, really,
there doesn't need to be a fight.

So it becomes 'Whoa is us, they are taking this right,
Whoa is us, they are making us accept this, whoa is us,
look at what they are doing now'.

Rather than actually looking at people who are actually
being tortured, killed, having real rights taken from
them.

I posted a couple of months ago on Facebook about the lie
that keeps getting shared by people I know - that
Facebook is banning the Lord's prayer, so people post a
copy of it as a protest.
I got fed up posting comments in their posts telling them
it wasn't true and how come their post is still up if it
were, so I made an actual post about how it wasn't true.

First reply I got was from some idiot friend along the
lines of, 'Yes, but in the future, suppose Facebook makes
you put something up where you have to denounce Christ
and swear allegiance to someone else. What about if they
do that, huh? Of course, I'm just hypothesising here.'
End of his comment.

Which just shows exactly what is happening.
Doesn't need to be facts, or even a hint of anything,
because they are just making shit up, putting it out
there and hiding behind weasel words like 'I'm just
hypothesising'.
Which sounds suspiciously like Trump's 'I don't know,
maybe it is, maybe it isn't' (or variations thereof,
depending on the subject at hand).

While right wing Christians have operated like this for
years, Trump, and his demeanour, really have emboldened
them to just make ever more outrageous claims about how
they are being treated, how they will be treated, and how
they need to fight for their rights, while totally
ignoring people who really do face injustice on a daily
basis.

It sickens me
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Eric Sofer
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Posted: 22 October 2020 at 10:31am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

I could not have enjoyed that Obama speech more. How good it must feel to be free of constraints and speak how he truly feels about Trump and about the current government.

His points were particularly accurate, and especially demonstrative. And in 32 minutes, he repeated himself - I dunno, maybe once.

Clean. Clear. Concise. And yes, I miss a president who can speak in complete sentences without copying himself.

I DARE to hope that Biden/Harris will be as good as Barack was. We'll know for sure in about two weeks, give or take.

Remember to vote.
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Rebecca Jansen
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Posted: 22 October 2020 at 11:47am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

There are still some of these far right whiners mewling about how they got called a "basket of deplorables"... four and a half years ago! I think that shows who the real 'snowflakes' are. There must be some truth to it as well or they would not include themselves in that basket in order to be offended in the first place. To any normal person Hilary's comment was informing the hapless as to who they were going to be rubbing elbows with, but if one is too focused on looking for the next thing to act righteously outraged and victimized by...

This is what they have, an extremely refined putdown of four and a half years ago? You poor terribly treated darlings, why that's so much worse than a knee on your neck or being shot in your own home! One waving a rebel flag with Trump added to it claimed indignantly to have 'worked hard for their money every day', yeah sure, I bet. Crops plowed under without Spanish-Americans to pick 'em right this year with record numbers turning to food banks. I'd lay odds the ones making the most noise about being hard working are the desk jockey types with great war stories while the real soldiers don't want to talk about it. No wonder Trump is their poster-boy leader. His idea of work is a 'strong meeting' or beautiful phone call'. But keep playing that card... it might just lead some to take a closer look at the real entitlement affluenza cases among us.

With Jim Jones young white females quickly rose to the top of his church (same with Trump, see all the young blondes, that's what he wants you to see). But take a guess who did all the hard work in those Guyana fields while ol' 'father' shadey glasses thundered about racial equality? Best bananas, you can't imagine how great they are, so much better than what you're getting now. >:^(

Edited by Rebecca Jansen on 22 October 2020 at 11:49am
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John Harrison
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Posted: 22 October 2020 at 2:56pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

I remember in the 70s when UPC symbols were just starting to make their way
onto boxes, cans and books. My late father and many among his friends
thought that it was "the mark of the devil", that pretty soon we would all have
UPC codes stamped upon us and that the "end times" were just around the
corner. This was the precursor to microchips. My father lived in a perpetual
state of "the end times are near" that I'm quite sure many here have
experienced with a relative, loved one or friend over their lifetimes.

*******

I come out of the pentecostal church my uncle had the same fear over the UPC
symbols then it was debit cards then it was something else.

Add in the great Satanic panic of the 80's and the late great planet Earth
nonsense and it was a non stop fear of something (I remember being lectured
as a child about the Thundercats being satanic ) New World Order that and
rapture theology. Interesting as well is that they claim every Democrat elected
to President somehow qualified as the Anti-Christ.

These people are now the base of The Republican party and Trump has
become the golden calf they all worship and who better fits their magical Anti-
Christ New World Order boogeyman.

And they will never see the irony of it.







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Matt Hawes
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Posted: 22 October 2020 at 3:13pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

About 18 minutes and 40 seconds into the White House footage of Trump's "60 Minutes" interview, once again Trump has to use both hands to take a sip from a small glass of water. Interesting.

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James Woodcock
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Posted: 22 October 2020 at 5:52pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

I’m also watching it.
It is incredible the amount of things that Trump ‘doesn’t know anything
about that’.

Well what does he know about?

These things are incredibly important, have come up multiple times &
yet he still claims not to know anything about them.
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Joe Zhang
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Posted: 22 October 2020 at 7:22pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

"About 18 minutes and 40 seconds into the White House footage of Trump's "60 Minutes" interview, once again Trump has to use both hands to take a sip from a small glass of water. Interesting."

That thing came up the last presidential election. It has something to do with his dentures, which have a tendency to come off when he drinks. 
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David Miller
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Posted: 22 October 2020 at 8:27pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

It's amazing how Trump supporters like Joe can invent these bespoke explanations that somehow never occur to Trump himself.
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