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Michael Roberts
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Posted: 22 May 2018 at 8:37pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

We all know Trump himself "is going to be guilty unless proven innocent" of working with the Russians to steal an election.


This is such a fucking straw man. Itís the Rightís attempt to raise the bar by portraying the Left as believing that Putin and Trump were working hand and hand to place Trump in his office as Putinís puppet. Thatís not the issue.

The Russians were interfering with the election. This should not be under dispute anymore. The question is, was the Trump campaign aware of any of these operations, and did they enable or assist them in any way?
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Rebecca Jansen
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Posted: 22 May 2018 at 10:09pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

The way I understand things, the FBI is surveilling ("spying on") various Russians activities inside or effecting the U.S. The only reason they would be crossing paths with the Trump campaign is because it was crossing paths with certain Russians. I don't expect a president directly orders the FBI anymore than the DOJ, they may approve actions if brought to them for some specific reason if presidential approval is necessary.

CNN and the Associated Press were barred today from an EPA event featuring a speech by Trump's anti-EPA EPA head Pruitt, even after showing up well in advance (belying a feeble excuse that the event was full). The AP reporter was even physically removed from the premises. I imagine such 'news' gathering organizations as Breitbart, The National Enquirer, CBN (Pat Robertson's Christian Broadcasting Network/News), RT News (Russia Today) would have had no problem attending. News organizations with long histories of exemplary service which Trump has called 'fake news' and part of some conspiracy are of course CNN, the Associated Press, Reuters, BBC, NBC, Washington Post, New York Times, and New Yorker magazine among others.

Trump dictionary...
"A lot of people" (who are often "saying") = Bannon, Guiliani, Kushner, Hannity, Trump.
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James Woodcock
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Posted: 22 May 2018 at 11:11pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Baring the AP. Thatís just scary
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Eric Kleefeld
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Posted: 23 May 2018 at 8:49am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

I had a weird dream last night, appropriate for this forum: I was living in the "Next Men" universe ó and Donald Trump was Aldus Hilltop!
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Eric Sofer
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Posted: 23 May 2018 at 1:42pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Eric K. - it would be horrifying to think of 45 being HALF as smart as Sathanas.
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Michael Sommerville
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Posted: 23 May 2018 at 6:23pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

There should be no doubt that Russian interfered with all American elections to a degree for the past 60 years. Just like America had done so around the world. To what degree it was successful and the scope is why there is such interest now. The question on, Trump campaign. involvement with Russia is one that everyone seems to know the definitive answer except the one investigating. Everyone is acting like the sideshow is all there is because the actual show is not open yet.

I think Trump is neither smart enough or humble enough to be the "manchurian candidate". He would be tweeting only he can deal with the Russians because he was so successful doing it during the election.

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