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Wilson Mui
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Posted: 22 August 2017 at 7:03am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

I agree with everything Rodrigo said.

I would add that I found Danny and Luke's attempts to
bond unconvincing. It seemed so forced.
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Brian Miller
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Posted: 23 August 2017 at 1:15am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

I think the next DD season will be based on a certain Frank Miller storyline. 
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Bill Collins
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Posted: 23 August 2017 at 2:00pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Brian,yes i thought that too,which means a return for a
certain character? One thing that still bugs
me...Daredevil`s costume should be RED,not maroon!
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Eric Sofer
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Posted: 23 August 2017 at 9:22pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Oh, Bill, Bill, Bill. No superheroes wear bright colors anymore. Muddled and muddy, that's the drill. Just catch any DCU movie to see. (Never mind Wonder Woman... she's a GIRL after all! And even at that, it wasn't nearly as bright as I'd hoped it would be.)

Whaddaya want, yellow spandex? :)

Oh, and yes, you're quite right. DD SHOULD be in a red costume. I don't mind the armored/reinforced nature of it, but must it be so uninteresting?
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Andrew Saxon
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Posted: 24 August 2017 at 8:53am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

When I was a kid, Karen Page was a heroin-addicted ex-porn star in the comics...
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Yikes, really? *Shudder* You and I were kids at different times...thank goodness!
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Eric Sofer
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Posted: 24 August 2017 at 10:02am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

When I read early Daredevil, I thought that Karen Page was the token Stan female. A female character, absolutely, but kinda the same, whether she was Karen Page, Betty Brant, Betty Ross, Pepper Potts - even Sue Storm and Jean Grey fell into that mold a little bit.

The only interesting thing about heroin addicted, abused Karen Page is that Frank Miller did it first (as far as I know.) It was a stereotype that contributed to a destructive trend in comics that they didn't need...
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Brian Rhodes
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Posted: 24 August 2017 at 5:44pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Am I a horrible person for cheering when....

Maybe.

I am too, then, as I was like, "Finally!!"


Edited by Brian Rhodes on 24 August 2017 at 5:58pm
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Petter Myhr Ness
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Posted: 28 August 2017 at 1:15am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

I enjoyed this show, but there's a trend to the Marvel Netflix shows:

Shows with Daredevil: good.
Shows without Daredevil: not quite so good. 
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David Miller
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Posted: 28 August 2017 at 9:11am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Man, what a dull show. I kept re-watching episodes because when they ended I repeatedly realized I stopped paying attention after the opening credits. I'm not sure what the Hand's plot was, or how Elektra's coup affected it, or how the heroes interfered. 

I didn't appreciate the Born Again tease. It's not Born Again just because Matt's laid up in a nun's care. And i's not Born Again without Kingpin. 
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David Lopez
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Posted: 29 August 2017 at 9:53am | IP Logged | 10 post reply

I was mildly pleased with the show (after really enjoying the first two seasons of DAREDEVIL, and having high hopes for LUKE CAGE, JESSICA JONES and IRON FIST, and feeling let down by all three), but that final episode felt muddled, and oddly rushed.

Also, I get that Jessica Jones is a badass, but does EVERYTHING that comes out of her mouth have to be a snarky retort, a pointed barb or a cynical observation? The character became almost exhausting by the show's conclusion.
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Brian Miller
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Posted: 01 September 2017 at 3:37pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

I think it will totally invoke Kingpin. They laid a bit of the groundwork in DD's second season 
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James Best
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While the ending of THE DEFENDERS implied that the next season of Daredevil would follow the "Born Again" story line, I am not convinced that is the way they are going to go.

The BA plot requires that the Kingpin know's DD's identity and uses it to bring down Matt Murdock, to the point where he is no longer allowed to practice law, left for dead in a stolen taxi, and has to recover from his wounds in the church where his mother may (or may not) be present.

None of that was established in the previous season of DAREDEVIL. Retroactively inserting it won't work because the first episode of THE DEFENDERS shows Matt in the courtroom doing his thing while on hiatus from being Daredevil.

There are certain elements of the BA story line that could be used in the next season of DAREDEVIL. But I don't see how they can follow the primary story thread without bending the rules of time and space.

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Brian Miller
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Posted: 02 September 2017 at 6:35pm | IP Logged | 13 post reply

Fisk is working on it. In the last episode of season 2, he asks for everything they could find on Matt Murdock. The seeds are sown. 
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James Best
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Fisk is working on it. In the last episode of season 2, he asks for everything they could find on Matt Murdock. The seeds are sown. 

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Yes, but Matt's recovery in the church is midway through the BA plot line, not the starting point. And the Kingpin only learns of Matt's identity due to Karen's collapse into drug addiction, which isn't part of the DD story lines up to this point in the solo series.

Like I said, they can incorporate some of the elements of Frank Miller's "Born Again" story but trying to cram all of them into the series would tear down a lot of the solid characterization they have built so far.

Personally, I could see them using "Codename: Nuke" as the Kingpin's instrument of vengeance, since The Punisher said no to Fisk's offer while they were both locked up. That might be interesting. And when Nuke is beaten that may open the door for a guy named Bullseye. 

Just thinking out loud... :-) 
 


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Bill Collins
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Posted: 03 September 2017 at 4:54am | IP Logged | 15 post reply

Born Again would ideally be slowly set up during the
next couple of season`s then a whole or half season
devoted to the full story,the format of the series is
ideal for that kind of set up.
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Brian Miller
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Posted: 03 September 2017 at 7:27am | IP Logged | 16 post reply

Ah, but we have no idea exactly WHEN we see Matt waking up, do we?
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Brian Miller
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Posted: 03 September 2017 at 7:28am | IP Logged | 17 post reply

And remember, Nuke has already been introduced. 
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James Woodcock
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Posted: 05 September 2017 at 12:58am | IP Logged | 18 post reply

Karen's collapse in to drug addiction only occurred at the start of Born Again. There was zero set up to that story. Miller introduced all the elements in the first issue and it came completely out of the blue.

A break of a few months between Defenders and DD season 3 could achieve the same thing.
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