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Brian Hague
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Doctor Who seems made for little plot-glitches and turns of story that make little sense if this guy really has been out in space doing this sort of thing for awhile. A couple of independent, non-company owned space suits would have gone a long way in the last episode, but the Doctor is simply too blithe for any such precautions. Wow, good thing that battery was low or another companion would be dead now. Well, that's okay, though, right? I mean, she lived so we will never actually put on a space suit in similar situations in the future. Everything will just... work out right, no preparations needed. Ladeedahdeedah... 

Truth be told, I did enjoy the episode overall and the way the whole thing led up to the punch line about the suits. I liked the previous one as well, again from an overall standpoint, while being less sanguine on the specifics, like people can just be reassembled after being "eaten" like that..? Okay, whatever... And at what point did the mom stop remembering the son as the son and begin thinking of him as the dad? Was there a really awkward period in the middle there where he was her husband or boyfriend? Friendly neighbor, maybe? 

I have to say that I am enjoying this new season SO much more without the over-riding Companion-heavy magick-magics and up-its-own-assedness. Short, rapid-fire, self-contained episodes with new villains and subplots. What a concept. Who knew such a thing was even possible anymore?
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Brian Hunt
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I'm really enjoying the addition of Bill. She's done
something that I hadn't thought possible in previous
seasons, which is make me enjoy Capaldi as The Doctor.
The interaction between them is a perfect combination.
Oxygen was my favorite episode of the new season so far.
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James Woodcock
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I've been enjoying this season a lot more than the previous two. And Bill, despite my hating of her in the preview where I thought her sass against the Darleks had not been earned, I find really enjoyable as a character
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Anthony J Lombardi
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I've been surprised by Bill as well, she's very likable. 

An interesting turn of events where as the Doctors health is concerned. I wonder if he'll remain in this state for the remainder of the season.
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John Byrne

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Posted: 15 May 2017 at 9:42am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

...I thought her sass against the Daleks had not been earned...

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That really stank of fanboy ennui, didn't it?

I took an OnDemand look at the first episode of this season, and lasted about eight minutes. Just can't buy Malcolm Tucker as the Doctor. Keep expecting him to erupt in a Vesuvius of expletives.

Also, what's this about the Doctor having taught at that school for more than fifty years? That's not exactly maintaining a low profile!*

(I'm also not sure how this works with the Doctor not being able to cross his own timeline, or am I just misremembering that part?)

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* Altho it does allow Moffat to add more years to "his" doctor. I get a sense that Moffat thinks "size matters", so he's piling the years into the Doctor.

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David Miller
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* Altho it does allow Moffat to add more years to "his" doctor. I get a sense that Moffat thinks "size matters", so he's piling the years into the Doctor.

I've thought the same thing (the Doctor is something like 4 billion years old after last season), but I suspect it's more the case Moffat likes to seed enormous narrative gaps for fan fic and expanded universe stories to fill. 




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Michael Roberts
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 QUOTE:
I've thought the same thing (the Doctor is something like 4
billion years old after last season)


Since the Doctor was resetting all that time, he wouldn't have aged. He
recently identified himself as 2,000 years old, so he's certainly not
counting that time.


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but I suspect it's more the case Moffat likes to seed enormous
narrative gaps for fan fic and expanded universe stories to fill


That's the sense that I get. If I remember correctly, he even suggested
in one of the minisodes that when Amy and Rory were his companions,
the Doctor would regularly have adventures without their knowledge
while they were asleep.
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Brian O'Neill
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I think that, in 'NuWho' terms, the Doctor being 'unable to cross his own timeline' simply means that multiple incarnations can only meet in extraordinary circumstances..subject to script suitability and actor availability.
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John Byrne

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That's the sense that I get. If I remember correctly, he even suggested in one of the minisodes that when Amy and Rory were his companions, the Doctor would regularly have adventures without their knowledge while they were asleep.

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Something Jim Shooter said once, and with which I almost agreed: If "untold tales" are so interesting, why haven't they already been told?

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Bill Collins
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That bugged me too,fifty years at the school and nobody
noticed he hadn`t aged,never mind all the previous
incarnations inhabiting that period!
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John Byrne

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In previous iterations, the Doctor has seemed to exist in "bubbles" of time, so even if he passes thru some point close to one he had visited before (or may subsequently) he is still "separate" from his other selves. Sort of like this:

(2) (12) (9) (5) (3) (4) and so on. Basically, he has not spent prolonged periods in the same contiguous timeline, and so has not been "down the street" when an earlier/later version was having an adventure.*

With it now being establish that he has spent at least fifty years teaching at that school (Bill seemed to suggest it could have been longer) the question becomes whether that was as a contiguous stream, or whether he was jumping out of it to have other adventures.

Of course, this is pure Moffat, paying little attention to what has been previously established, AND allowing him to show that the first Doctor to be fully "his" has been on Earth at least as long as all the other iterations combined. When the Doctor and Susan arrived, Capaldi's Doctor was already teaching at that school!

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* Pertwee's Doctor spent a prolonged chunk of time working with U.N.I.T., but he also went traveling, and with a time traveler it's always difficult to figure where and when he is at any moment.

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Jozef Brandt
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Well, the message-hammer was pretty over-the-top in that last one.  The season has been like Starbucks coffee: consistent in its mediocrity, but not purely offensive as some nuWho. 
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Matthew Wilkie
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Good grief, I didn't need to look at he credits to know that Stephen Moffat had written this latest episode. Convoluted story-line, multi-parter, the return of Missy, a reference to River Song and just a complete mess.

And this season was just starting to look vaguely encouraging ...
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Michael Roberts
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I enjoyed the main story, but could have done without the Missy
flashbacks. I'm assuming they set up the third part, but the flashbacks
tried too hard to be twisty and were distracting from the actual episode.

Also, Moffat has no idea how random number generators work.

Loved all the Catholic Church bits with the Vatican having a secret
Library of Blasphemy and making Pope Benedict IX a woman.
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Matthew Wilkie
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Also, Moffat has no idea how random number generators work.

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I have no idea how random number generators work but I damn well knew it wasn't how it was explained by the Doctor.
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Steve De Young
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There was definitely some Moffat return-to-form intrusion in this one, but not enough so that I didn't still enjoy it.  The Missy reveal, while staged in a really Moffat-y way, made sense.  And the main storyline, while it required a certain amount of suspension of disbelief, didn't require much more than the typical episode of Doctor Who.

Based on the next episode teaser, I think we're going to continue moving forward, so I'm not overly concerned.
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Michael Roberts
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Also, Moffat has no idea how random number generators work.

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I have no idea how random number generators work but I damn well
knew it wasn't how it was explained by the Doctor.

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While it's accurate that RNGs aren't truly random, because they'll return
the same numbers given the initial value, called a seed, the episode
would have you believe that the aliens built such a complex simulation
of the Earth that the simulations could become aware that they were
not real, but could not be bothered to randomize seeds among
individuals. That's just lazy programming.
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James Woodcock
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How to tell a Moffat episode. The Doctor will boast to someone about how high his death count is. Because that's the defining character of the Doctor.

This was the weakest episode this season.
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David Miller
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So many people considered the season prior to this point a refreshing  return to form I was feeling left out, since I haven't enjoyed it much at all. Last night's episode was one of my favorite of the series, although while I watched I wondered if everyone else was going to hate it. I didn't realize Moffat wrote it.
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Anthony J Lombardi
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I've enjoyed this season so far. By far Capaldi's best. At least up to this point. I hate to see him go. But it's nice that his final season won't be a stinker. 
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Emery Calame
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Mummies in a Pyramid who want to kill everyone.

Kind of Sutehkish?
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Matthew Wilkie
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A three-parter. Geez, seriously?!
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Steve De Young
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A three-parter. Geez, seriously?!
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You must have hated the original series.  Seriously, though, I think these first two parts, at least, have done it right.  Each one has told a complete story with a beginning, middle, and end, but each one has also opened the door directly to the next.  That's pretty much the way to do serialized fiction.
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Brian Floyd
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Multiparters in the original series were the norm.

In NuWho, anything more than a two-parter is stretching it. And considering what was going on in the first part of this, I consider it more of a two and a half parter.



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Matthew Wilkie
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You must have hated the original series.

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Is there really much comparison between the original series and NuWho other than the main character?But I take your point albeit the episodes were probably around half the length.

And weren't Peter Davison's arcs two-parters? I seem to recall, in the UK, they were show over successive nights - Monday and Tuesday.
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