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Brian O'Neill
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Posted: 19 June 2017 at 1:55pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

A bit of a similar resolution to the previous one, and quibbles about the 'modern sensibilities' of a couple of the Romans, as well as the bits with the crows, but, yes, definitely a solid episode. I definitely prefer the more somber, thoughtful episodes to a steady diet of 'manic and shouty because we're all going to die in thirty seconds'.

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Jozef Brandt
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Posted: 22 June 2017 at 7:25pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply


Another story that I'm trying to imagine as a classic 4-parter.  I really don't care about the characters in these 44min stories.  Was there an explanation as to why only the teenaged Scots and Romans remained alive?


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Anthony J Lombardi
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Posted: 22 June 2017 at 7:47pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

The Romans ran away. The Scots were never a part of the battle. At least I don't recall hearing them say that they were a part of the battle. 
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Anthony J Lombardi
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Posted: 22 June 2017 at 7:52pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

quibbles about the 'modern sensibilities' of a couple of the Romans
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We don't really know if the modern sensibilities would have been out of place in Roman.  I'd say that there is a chance that their attitudes towards sexuality might have been kind of loose. 

Between their pagan belief system and the orgies. I'd think they would be somewhat open minded about matters of the flesh.

There are many instances of same sex acts represent in art from various time periods.


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Brian O'Neill
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Posted: 22 June 2017 at 10:36pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Good points, although I was referring to the two soldiers who sounded a lot more '21st century colloquial' in their speech patterns. It may be that the telepathic connection can 'filter' speech to match the listener(Bill in this case).
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Anthony J Lombardi
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Posted: 23 June 2017 at 12:08am | IP Logged | 6 post reply


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Good points, although I was referring to the two soldiers who sounded a lot more '21st century colloquial' in their speech patterns. It may be that the telepathic connection can 'filter' speech to match the listener(Bill in this case).
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I think that is a good explanation. That fits with what Bill was talking about when she figured out why they all understood each other.
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Posted: 23 June 2017 at 11:53am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

I kind of wish one of the romans had snapped to the young scots that some spanish celts campaigning in Macedonia some 450 years prior, following Brennus taught Rome the folly of leaving people in peace by sacking the city & proclaiming "vae victus" as they cheated in negotiating a ransom. 

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The Scots were never a part of the battle. At least I don't recall hearing them say that they were a part of the battle. 
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Yeah, basically, it was the Scot woman's job to keep the beastie locked up.  The Roman were coming to conquer her people, so she let the beastie go, hoping that in the resulting fracas, the Romans would kill it, but it would kill enough of the Romans that her people could fight off the rest.  And then it sort of went awry when it wiped out the Romans and then was wounded and pissed off, and coming for her people as well.
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Posted: 23 June 2017 at 6:59pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

I know that, but I couldn't figure out where all the adults were.
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Brian O'Neill
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Posted: 23 June 2017 at 10:10pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

She said something about "Our families/parents were killed in the battle".Basically,  the adults went off to fight, the 'kids' stayed behind.
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Anthony J Lombardi
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Posted: 24 June 2017 at 8:38pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

Tonight's episode was such a heart breaker.
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Bill Collins
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I admit they fooled me,then the end was heartbreaking.
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Emery Calame
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Posted: 25 June 2017 at 2:33am | IP Logged | 13 post reply

Zathras is easy impression to do. Everyone does good Zathras. Zathras doesn't care. He does as he is told. Poor Zathras.
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Bill Collins
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Posted: 25 June 2017 at 3:30am | IP Logged | 14 post reply

Emery,that`s it! I knew it was B5 and i knew it was Tim
Choate played him,but i couldn`t think of his name
Zathras!
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Matthew Wilkie
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Posted: 25 June 2017 at 11:20am | IP Logged | 15 post reply

Must admit I was left feeling a little disappointed. When Derek Jacobi was revealed as the Mater way back when and then regenerated into John Simm, it was all a total surprise to me and I enjoyed it so much. For tonight, I knew that Simm was returning, guessed the reveal and was left feeling a little deflated.

I only hope next week's episode with a potential regeneration recaptures how I felt before.
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David Miller
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Posted: 25 June 2017 at 12:57pm | IP Logged | 16 post reply

That's funny. I knew Simm was returning (thanks BBC), and I saw a tweet about someone hiding in plain site, so I was looking for him. I haven't seen much pre-Moffat WHO but I'd seen the ones that counted.

But I thought the reveal was great despite all that, on its own dramatic merits. (The disguised Master's intrigued questioning of Missy was great.) If I hadn't been spoiled I might have found it as thrilling as Capaldi's appearance in the 50th Anniversary Special.

I loved the "My name is Doctor Who" bit, but I bet it made some Moffat-weary fans grind their teeth to pieces.


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Yeah, Moffat had a few more "Doctor Who" meta/fourth wall jokes to get out of his system before leaving. I thought it worked coming from Missy though. I liked the Exposition and Comic Relief being genders bit.

I thought the rest of the episode was the right mix of sci-fi and horror. 
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Posted: 25 June 2017 at 1:53pm | IP Logged | 18 post reply


The "Doctor Who?" stuff irritated me twice as much because the rest of the episode was good.  As others have mentioned, the BBC spoiled the shizz out of this episode, with talk of the Mondasian Cybermen and John Simm coming back. 

They could have gotten the same amount of levity out Missy just saying something like "Hi, I'm Notthedoctor, these are my expendables..."

My only other beef is the TARDIS always works perfectly except when it doesn't, but honestly that's been a conceit of the show since the old days. (The inverse could be said as well, the TARDIS doesn't work accurately, except when it needs to for plot reasons). 


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James Woodcock
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Posted: 25 June 2017 at 2:10pm | IP Logged | 19 post reply

Good episode. My wife and I spent a while debating whether it actually was Zathras but then I remembered he had passed away. Then figured it actually was John Simms. At no point did we not think it was the Master though.
I like the origin of the tear, my wife, not so much. But then, it reminded me of the Doctor Who weekly stories of the Cyberman with a soul and the end of his first story, where the teardrop becomes a tear.
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Brian Floyd
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Posted: 25 June 2017 at 2:12pm | IP Logged | 20 post reply

The TARDIS not working properly at times was explained away in the Eleventh Doctor episode where it got a human body: It took him where he needed to be, not necessarily where he wanted to go.

The Master reveal got me, but I saw the other reveal coming a mile away, sadly. 

Dammit, I'm not ready for Capaldi to go yet. Tennant left at the right time, while Smith stayed a little too long.
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David Miller
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Posted: 25 June 2017 at 2:50pm | IP Logged | 21 post reply

I wish Capaldi would stick around, too. It'd be nice to see him work with a fresh new team. 
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Brian O'Neill
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Posted: 25 June 2017 at 5:22pm | IP Logged | 22 post reply

Can we just blame Capaldi's unfortunate 'three seasons in four years' situation on  Moffat? His overrated ass needed a year off from DOCTOR WHO to write more SHERLOCK. That went well...
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