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Brian Hague
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Posted: 17 May 2017 at 8:08pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Roy Thomas and Mike Friedrich along with artists Gil Kane and Bob Brown are credited with the creation of the Brute, not Stan and Jack.

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John Cole
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Forty years ago Marval had What If? to tell these outrageous stories in one and done issues now they seemt to be trying to milk months if not years out of these "imaginary" stories.
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Emery Calame
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Sure Brian, but my point was alt-evil Reed Richards from over yonder there is a musty oldy moldy chestnut rather than some rut particular to the Ultimate imprint/thing/whatever.
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Eric Sofer
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Because Reed Richards makes SO MUCH BETTER of a villain than a new villain. I'm sure that Stan and Jack found that the case... warp and distort an existing character instead of creating a BRAND NEW VILLAIN.

Yes, sometimes that didn't work, but sometimes it really did. Or is Marvel SO insular these days that they don't dare create new villains?

Evil Reed Richards... two things that just don't go together. Like President Trump.
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Charles Valderrama
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Posted: 18 May 2017 at 7:54am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

So...... always-evil Cap is the equivalent of Evil Kirk in a Star Trek transporter accident, huh?

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John Byrne

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As far as Marvel goes, I have been an outsider looking in for most of this century. And what I see from that position is a bunch of "creators" who seem able to do nothing more that a kind of repeated incestuous rehash. They seem to be people who do not care about the characters, or their history, and want only to create big, splashy "events" that will grab the attention of Civilians (who don't know any better) and piss off fans (who will buy them anyway).

Is this how it really is? I don't know. Like I said, I am an outsider looking in. But from that position I see nothing at all of the Marvel I used to know -- which, it can be said, was gone even before I left.

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Brian Hague
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Agreed, Emery. I believe there may have been an evil Reed or two in Mark Waid's over-indulgent multiverse storylines as well. Can't say for sure as I've only read a couple of those issues and felt no need to go back for more.

As for the current state of Marvel, there is no sense of responsibility or stewardship. They do not believe in the value of the characters in any sense except monetarily and will happily strip-mine them for any perceived profit that may lie under the surface. They are stunt-generating dollar-bill-presses and not one thing more to the current hierarchy. If it looked profitable to have Aunt May strung up on-panel and eaten alive by cannibals, Marvel would not hesitate. 

And right now, if this is being read by anyone there, they're smiling happily, because that sort of "Anything goes; OMG, what's next?" is exactly the perception they're trying to create in the world. As a corporate entity, Marvel would like to be seen as a Wild N' Crazy, Used-Car-Sellin' John Wayne Gacy. "Youuuuuu Don' Know Whut Might Happin Next, Do Ya, Pardner??"

And I don't. I also no longer care. Kill, hack, and slash away.

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Craig Bogart
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Posted: 19 May 2017 at 6:29am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

Didn't we already get a parallel universe-transplanted Evil Beast from an X-Men plotline?  I may be wrong, as I haven't read an X-Men book in decades, but it rings a bell.
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Michael Roberts
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Didn't we already get a parallel universe-transplanted Evil Beast from an X-
Men plotline? I may be wrong, as I haven't read an X-Men book in decades,
but it rings a bell.

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The Dr. Mengele-like Beast from the AGE OF APOCALYPSE timeline managed
to somehow escape the destruction of that reality and cross over to the main
timeline, where he'd pop up as the occasional villain.
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Emery Calame
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"If it looked profitable to have Aunt May strung up on-panel and eaten alive by cannibals, Marvel would not hesitate. "

Brian, I see Aunt May as more of a larval form of the Galaxy Master myself. 
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John Byrne

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Remember when parallel universes were the almost exclusive property of DC, and Marvel fans used to mock such concepts?
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Mal Gardiner
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"Ultimate Wolverine, aka Jimmy Hudson, is also running around in the Marvel Universe"

Is this correct? So Marvel's resolution of the major Death of Wolverine event is to have three versions of the character active now - X-23, Old Man Logan, and whatever alt-universe version this is supposed to be. I remember a speech Frank Miller made 20 or 30 years ago about the industry strip-mining the material until nothing was left; looks like Frank was being prophetic, not antagonistic.
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Brian Hunt
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It's worse than that Mal. X-23, who is already a clone
of Wolverine, also has her own clone now. INCEPTION!
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Emery Calame
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Spider-Man -> Venom -> Carnage -> Red Carnage -> Female Red Carnage -> Female Red Gwen Carnage ->  Female Red Gwen Carnage Herald of Galactus 
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Rick Whiting
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As far as Marvel goes, I have been an outsider looking in for most of this century. And what I see from that position is a bunch of "creators" who seem able to do nothing more that a kind of repeated incestuous rehash. They seem to be people who do not care about the characters, or their history, and want only to create big, splashy "events" that will grab the attention of Civilians (who don't know any better) and piss off fans (who will buy them anyway).

Is this how it really is? I don't know. Like I said, I am an outsider looking in.

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For the most part JB, that is indeed how it is. However, the pissed off fans are finally dropping the books and the plummeting sales of Marvel comics are reflecting the fan discontent with the product. Marvel these days are also a victim of being enamored with Hollywood and the tail wagging the dog backwards form of synergy.
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Mike Norris
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Posted: 22 May 2017 at 9:15pm | IP Logged | 16 post reply

At least in Hollywood Cap is Steve Rogers, Iron Man is Tony Stark and Thor is Thor. 
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