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Andrew Bitner
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Posted: 25 April 2017 at 8:39am | IP Logged | 1  

It will take a very, very long time, but the dismantling of the myth of the Confederacy continues. Removing its symbols and monuments is a crucial step.
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John Byrne

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Posted: 25 April 2017 at 9:24am | IP Logged | 2  

How much of a battle it will still be to change hearts and minds...!?

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Charging a few of them with treason might send a message even they could understand.

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Mike Purdy
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Posted: 25 April 2017 at 9:49am | IP Logged | 3  

Treason, yes! I also thin neo-nazis and other white supremacists who idolate Hitler and perform Nazi salutes and display the swastika should be recognized as traitors. Not only is their hate vile, but in my mind they are supporting and taking up an enemy's cause. We have fathers and grandfathers who fought against that ideology only to have it being espoused in USA and other allied countries. Assholes. 
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David Allen Perrin
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Posted: 25 April 2017 at 1:07pm | IP Logged | 4  

Can we please take a Tomahawk missile to this piece of stone bullshit?


UGH!

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Brandon Scott Berthelot
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Posted: 25 April 2017 at 1:38pm | IP Logged | 5  

Someone posted a meme today I thought was funny. It
referred to confederate monuments as the ultimate
participation trophy. Going to use that.
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Bob Harvey
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Posted: 25 April 2017 at 2:16pm | IP Logged | 6  

So lost causes can't be cool? I think most people would disagree with that assertion. It's why Jonah Hex and so many of Clint Eastwood's characters were former Confederate soldiers. It's why the animosity of the Irish and Scots toward England is thought to be charming. To take it a bit broader, see the Jedi, Firefly's Browncoats, Days of Future Past, Battlestar Galactica, etc.

It's fine to disagree with the ideology of the Confederacy or its modern champions, but "you lost; get over it," is a pretty lame philosophy.
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Michael Roberts
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Posted: 25 April 2017 at 2:55pm | IP Logged | 7  

So lost causes can't be cool?

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When the cause is the preservation of slavery, no.
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Mike Norris
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Posted: 25 April 2017 at 8:48pm | IP Logged | 8  

Well said, Michael. 
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John Byrne

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Posted: 26 April 2017 at 6:04am | IP Logged | 9  

It's fine to disagree with the ideology of the Confederacy or its modern champions, but "you lost; get over it," is a pretty lame philosophy.

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As lame as romanticizing the Confederacy as a "lost cause," as if that's all there is to this?

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Don Zomberg
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Posted: 26 April 2017 at 6:17am | IP Logged | 10  

I was appalled to see Kurt Russell give props to the Confederacy on The View a while back.

"Defending their way life"? Ugh.


Edited by Don Zomberg on 26 April 2017 at 6:18am
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John Byrne

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"Defending their way life"? Ugh.

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People who say things like that are ignoring two things: first, how vile and corrupt that "way of life" was, and second that said "way of life" was in no way threatened.

Lincoln was not an abolitionist at first. He only wanted to contain slavery, not outlaw it. Like most Northern intellectuals he understood that the "institution" of slavery was doomed simply by the natural changes occurring in the World. A society that depended on human bondage could not survive in the Machine Age. It was just a matter of time.*

Trouble came when the Southern states insisted on expanding slavery into the western territories, claiming "state's right," and somehow ignoring the very important fact that such rights END at state borders. One cannot commit a crime in Kentucky and defend oneself by saying it's legal in Louisiana!

If the slave-holding states had contented themselves with keeping their slaves only within their own borders, the Civil War need not have happened, and those same states would most likely have been able to seek aid from Washington as their economies began to crumble.

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* Sadly, the general contempt for the Black Race prevented most people from thinking any amount of time was too long -- most people who weren't Black, that is.

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Don Zomberg
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And it's not like slavery was good for ALL Southern Whites. Just the rich ones. 
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