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Michael Penn
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Posted: 29 August 2017 at 11:27am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Well, you coulda fooled me!!

Sorry, JB. I failed to be as straightforward as the movie.
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Robbie Parry
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Posted: 29 August 2017 at 12:54pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

I see nothing that suggests Ben exists only in Luke's mind.

It's fine to interpret a movie that is meant to be open to interpretation (i.e. SHUTTER ISLAND), but I don't think STAR WARS is meant for interpretation of that kind. It's there on the screen. Anything more is taking fan fiction to a realm I never thought was possible.

Otherwise we risk, even unintentionally, disrespecting a creator's vision. Do we put forward a theory that the A-Team's adventures happened in the mind of Murdock (living in an asylum ward)? Perhaps Michael Long, in KNIGHT RIDER, never really recovered from that bullet to the head - and the adventures that took place over four seasons are all in his mind.

I think it's fine to imagine what is in the briefcase (PULP FICTION) or wonder about SHUTTER ISLAND, but if we start second-guessing something like STAR WARS, well... Personally, I think what we see is what we get.
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Greg Kirkman
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Posted: 29 August 2017 at 1:27pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

STAR WARS is a straightforward adventure, a fairy tale.

This sort of overthinking is what I call the "SUCKER PUNCH Effect", where the fantasy elements are "really" a dream/fantasy/hallucination, because the fantasy elements are supposedly too unrealistic and/or stupid to take seriously. So, they're deliberately undermined by making them unreal, in-universe. 

"This is an imaginary story. Aren't they all?" That sort of thinking. The audience isn't even given the chance to invest in the story, because the creators are pointing out how unreal it is.

Edited by Greg Kirkman on 29 August 2017 at 1:36pm
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John Byrne

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Posted: 29 August 2017 at 1:52pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Amazing that I, circa 10 years old, was able to instantly understand the difference between "real" and "imaginary" stories, while the super-sophisticated grownups who were running DC when I got there could not!
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Warren Scott
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Posted: 29 August 2017 at 7:42pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Just want to clear something up- I was only having a little fun with Michael's idea, which I don't think he took very seriously either.
JB is right about that interpretation re-writing the story because it would mean Luke is mentally unstable. Even if other things really are happening around him, the spirits being a figment of his imagination would mean he's mentally imbalanced, which the movies don't suggest.
And Greg is right about Ben disappearing. Even Darth can be seen poking his foot through his cloak as if he's trying to figure what happened to his remains.
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Warren Scott
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Posted: 29 August 2017 at 7:44pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

By the way, Robbie. The A-Team's adventures taking place in Murdock's head would explain a lot. And I liked the show!
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Richard Stevens
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Posted: 14 September 2017 at 7:57pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Yoda speaks to Ben in Empire, so he can't be only in Luke's head.
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