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Brian Floyd
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Posted: 28 September 2017 at 11:23pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

The Cybermen are supposed to be cyborgs, but the casual viewer would probably think that they're robots. I'd even argue that most, if not all, of the new series designs look like rejected Iron Man armor or Ultron body prototypes from the neck down.

The Borg, who are rip-offs of the Cybermen, are much scarier than the Cybermen. And I believe one reason is because the Cybermen have looked like robots, not cyborgs, since the Fourth Doctor era. The only times I've found the Cybermen truly scary were last season's two part finale (because it was the original Mondas Cybermen) and the `Cyberwoman' episode of TORCHWOOD.

So should the Cybermen be left alone, and continue to look like robots and their true nature explained on-screen whenver the appear? Or should they be changed to look more like actual cyborgs, restoring some of the horror/scariness to their appearance?

An easy way to restore the cyborg look would be to have the Doctor interfere in their development, like Four did wth the Daleks in `Genesis of the Daleks', so that they still have at least a partial human appearance. I don't think giving them all partially visible brains like some of the Cyberleaders (or is it Cybercontrollers?) have had in the new series or just having the Doctor encounter the Mondasian versions for a while would be much of a solution. And today's special effects could make them look downright scary with some human elements shown.

(The Daleks look like robots, too. But their look is somewhat iconic. I'd say that the Cybermen have never had an iconic look to them.)



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John Byrne

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Posted: 29 September 2017 at 6:38am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Short answer, no.
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Robbie Parry
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Posted: 29 September 2017 at 2:50pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

I prefer the classic look. It's scary and a stark reminder of what they once were.
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Peter Martin
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Posted: 29 September 2017 at 4:56pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

I like most of the looks over the years, with a slight preference for the version from The Invasion, closely followed by the Earthshock version, but really, they're all pretty good. The nu-Who redesigns are perhaps a little Iron Man, but crucially keep the iconic handlebar ear things and the teardrop eyes. Like JB, I see no need for a redesign, and certainly not with a more Borg-like bent.

I think the effectiveness of the Cybermen comes from their implacability, their relentlessness, their lack of emotion (a direct contrast to the Daleks) and the way they turn humans into cybermen. A kind of harrowing example of the latter was Lytton halfway through assimilation in Attack of the Cybermen.
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Steve De Young
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Posted: 30 September 2017 at 10:15am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

I think the most recent season finale proved that even the original look can still work and be effective.
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Brian O'Neill
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Posted: 30 September 2017 at 3:25pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

I prefer the 'new old Mondas' look to the 'alternate universe' version(since 'DELETE'd.)
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Josh Goldberg
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Posted: 03 October 2017 at 5:27pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

"The Borg, who are rip-offs of the Cybermen..."
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And the Robomen.
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Brian Floyd
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Posted: 03 October 2017 at 7:48pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

I'm not talking about a radical redesign. Just something as simple as going back to headpieces for the actors that are more like the black and white era, where you can actually tell there's someone under there. (ie, cloth over the eyes and a visible mouth slit) Not a solid piece of headgear that completely covers everything so that the Cybermen might as well actually be robots.
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James Woodcock
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Posted: 06 October 2017 at 6:57am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Brian Floyd, did you see this last series? That's pretty much what they did
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Bill Collins
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Posted: 06 October 2017 at 11:37am | IP Logged | 10 post reply

I`m not keen on the Mondas ones,the faces remind me of
sock puppets!
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Brian Floyd
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Posted: 06 October 2017 at 2:23pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

James, this last series, those were the original Cybermen. 


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