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Steve De Young
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Posted: 04 November 2017 at 2:12am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Robert Kirkman used his clout at AMC to get this made, and its amazing, at least judging by the first episode, which was about the birth of Marvel, specifically the Stan and Jack partnership.  New interviews with Roy Thomas, Jim Shooter, Stan himself, Bill Sienkewicz, and about a dozen more about stuff behind the scenes.  Tons of archival footage and interviews with Kirby and Stan at earlier stages.

Stan's answer when he's asked point blank why Jack Kirby left the company is...amazing...

Definitely worth a watch On Demand.  Future episodes are going to cover Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman I know. 


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Brian Floyd
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Posted: 04 November 2017 at 8:58am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Didn't know about the series. Thanks for pointing it out, Steve. I'll definitely have to check it out.
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Posted: 04 November 2017 at 5:41pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Thanks for the heads-up, Steve. It does sound intriguing, hope it covers a lot of new ground.
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Brian Miller
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Posted: 04 November 2017 at 8:45pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Canít watch it till the 12th. 
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Matthew Chartrand
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Posted: 05 November 2017 at 8:36am | IP Logged | 5 post reply



 The first episode is available on the AMC website.

  Oh, and post one thousand one hundred and elevensies!
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Doug Centers
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Posted: 05 November 2017 at 8:52am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Watched it this morning.

Not much I haven't heard before. Liked the new interviews .
Wish Flo would have gotten a mention.
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Brian Miller
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Posted: 05 November 2017 at 9:11am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Found it on the AMC app. Almost finished with it. 
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Steve De Young
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Posted: 11 November 2017 at 1:53pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

I'm kinda hoping JB will watch at least the first episode, because Shooter tells a story about something that happened at an office party, and I think JB might have been there.  So I'm curious how 'embellished' said recounting is. 
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Trevor Smith
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Posted: 11 November 2017 at 2:22pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

I just found an AMC blog entry on this show, and WOW did
they ever abuse the word "icon".

LINK
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Jim Lynch
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Posted: 12 November 2017 at 9:49pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

Kevin Smith.
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Charles Valderrama
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Posted: 13 November 2017 at 11:45am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

Haven't watched yet, but tonight's second episode is about WONDER WOMAN'S origins.

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Peter Martin
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Posted: 13 November 2017 at 12:30pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

Just watched it. Pretty good, though would have liked something even more in depth. The stuff about Jack at the end had me a bit misty eyed. Cool to see Danny Fingeroth, Bill Sienkiewicz and Roy Thomas interviewed -- only ever seen photos of these guys.
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Steve De Young
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Posted: 13 November 2017 at 1:02pm | IP Logged | 13 post reply

Yeah, I'm in for tonight's WW episode.  Their obvious emphasis in the preview on Marston's sex life makes me cautious, but I'm not going to skip a Lynda Carter interview.  And hey, sex sells.
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Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
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Here's a Q for JB... Were you even approached by reps for this show?

It would be a gross injustice if they didn't even try.
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Posted: 13 November 2017 at 5:31pm | IP Logged | 15 post reply

I thought the first episode was great!
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Peter Martin
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I thought there was a slight irony in the bit where they were talking about how Kirby received no royalities but today's comic creators get to enjoy keeping the rights and they cited Robert Kirkmann as an example (conveniently ignoring that Tony Moore, who would be more analogous to Kirby, had to sue Kirkmann to get his Walking Dead dues). 
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Brian Peck
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WTF???? They did it again. Why does every show, movie, documentary on
Wonder Woman ignore Harry (H.G.) Peter as the co-creator of Wonder
Woman?
In the 2nd episode of Secret History of Comics Robert Kirkman and his
crew cover William Marston , Olive and Elizabeth in creating Wonder Woman
they go deep into their lives and how it shaped Wonder Woman. They talk
about how WW was created but nowhere in the episode is Harry Peter
mentioned. His art is shown through out but no mention of his contribution
or being co-creator. How is this possible?
In the first episode of the series they explore the birth of the Marvel
Universe with extensive discussion on Stan Lee And Jack Kirby. Mentioning
that Jack had been over shadowed by Stan and many felt he didn't get the
credit he deserves. They also mention Steve Ditko also being in the shadow
of Stan. Many things contributed to this, Stan being more of a showman and
how Marvel as a company mis-treated artists. But this episode made a point
of showcasing Jack and Steve showing they were an integral part of
starting Marvel Comics.
Why in the next episode about the Wonder Woman does the appreciation of
artists goes out the fucking window?
How can you in one episode praise Kirby and Ditko for their creations but in
the next one ignore Peter for his?
Robert get your shit together!!!!!!!!
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Charles Valderrama
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Posted: 14 November 2017 at 11:57am | IP Logged | 18 post reply

Why in the next episode about the Wonder Woman does the appreciation of artists goes out the fucking window? How can you in one episode praise Kirby and Ditko for their creations but in the next one ignore Peter for his?

***********

Yeah, it's pretty upsetting, but I'd guess H. G. Peter didn't have much of a impact on the business as Kirby and Ditko had.... they both had multiple characters in those early years attributed to them. (They're styles have had an influence on other industry artists.)

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Warren Scott
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Posted: 14 November 2017 at 8:33pm | IP Logged | 19 post reply

You're right, Brian. Talk about the kettle calling the coffee black. I think Peters' style was very distinctive in comparison to the other artists of his day.
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Brian Peck
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Why in the next episode about the Wonder Woman does the appreciation of
artists goes out the fucking window? How can you in one episode praise
Kirby and Ditko for their creations but in the next one ignore Peter for his?

***********

Yeah, it's pretty upsetting, but I'd guess H. G. Peter didn't have much of a
impact on the business as Kirby and Ditko had.... they both had multiple
characters in those early years attributed to them. (They're styles have had
an influence on other industry artists.)-C!

**************

That is poor logic. Peter co-created one of the three major DC characters.
If you use your logic then Shuster is a nobody he only co-created
Superman. Also Marston never created any other major characters.
Harry Peter was there working with Marston to create many of her Rogue
gallery:
Giganta (WW #9 1944)
Ares (WW #1 1942)
Cheetah (WW #6 1943)
Doctor Psycho (WW #5 1943)
Circe (WW #37 1949)
Queen Clea (WW #8 1944
)Doctor Poison (Sensation Comics #2 1942)

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Peter Martin
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I thought the Siegel/Shuster episode was excellent. I sort of knew the barest bones of the story but really enjoyed getting the details filled in -- I didn't realise they were given basically no credit right up until the late 70s for instance. Some of the stories were heartbreaking. The bit where Neal Adams talked about Joe Shuster working as a delivery man without a coat in winter had me welling up. 
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Brian Floyd
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Posted: 24 November 2017 at 11:08am | IP Logged | 22 post reply

Is there even going to be an episode on Batman?


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Steve De Young
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Posted: 24 November 2017 at 11:35am | IP Logged | 23 post reply

Yeah, there's supposed to be a Batman episode.  And from the season trailers it looks like there's going to be one about the founding of Image Comics, which features a great quote from Kirkman, "What those guys did out of selfishness ended up changing the whole industry."
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Steve De Young
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Also, agreed that the episode on Siegel and Shuster was heartbreaking.
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Karl Wiebe
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Just to touch on the previous point about Wonder Woman's artist getting the silent treatment: I think the show is just focusing on one human element of the character's creation/origin, not necessarily a comprehensive history on the character as a whole.

So the first episode was centered around Lee/Kirby, and almost everything in the story could be drawn back to that central story.

Wonder Woman ONLY focused on the 3-way relationships as a paraellel to the book.

Superman origins was told completely through the eyes of Siegel/Shuster.  So there was no mention of Curt Swan or Supergirl or any of the villains. 

Hopefully there will be more focused stories, I for one would love to see individual artists as a feature (like John Romita, Gil Kane, Curt Swan, etc).
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