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Doug Centers Byrne Robotics Member
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I'm glad this didn't stick. After a couple of issues the magnets just disappeared.
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Brian O'Neill Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 December 2017 at 4:37pm | IP Logged | 2
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"Dear Cap, Shut up about Bucky, already. Signed, The World".
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Roberto Melendrez Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 December 2017 at 5:40pm | IP Logged | 3
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Cap has only been in the modern era "around 5 years" (in Marvel time) and at the point captured in those panels he was just recently freed from being frozen all those years. Makes sense that he grieves his partner and close friend. As a reader, Cap's grief for Bucky added pathos to his story and emphasized the cost that came with being Captain America. It helps define his character.
No offence or disrespect meant to anyone who diasagrees but I think it's time to stop reading Cap' when references to Bucky become annoying.
Edited by Roberto Melendrez on 07 December 2017 at 5:42pm
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John Byrne
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Posted: 07 December 2017 at 5:52pm | IP Logged | 4
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No offence or disrespect meant to anyone who diasagrees but I think it's time to stop reading Cap' when references to Bucky become annoying. ••• And time to stop working on Cap when bringing Bucky back starts to sound like a good idea.
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Roberto Melendrez Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 December 2017 at 5:57pm | IP Logged | 5
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And time to stop working on Cap when bringing Bucky back starts to sound like a good idea.
Yup!
Edited by Roberto Melendrez on 07 December 2017 at 5:58pm
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Matt Hawes Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 December 2017 at 6:17pm | IP Logged | 6
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Roberto Melendrez wrote:
...Cap has only been in the modern era "around 5 years" (in Marvel time) and at the point captured in those panels he was just recently freed from being frozen all those years... |
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Exactly! That page above is from issue 6, only two issues after Captain America was thawed out. We're talking weeks later, or months, at most, in story time.
Edited by Matt Hawes on 07 December 2017 at 6:18pm
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Matt Hawes Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 December 2017 at 6:19pm | IP Logged | 7
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On the subject of Captain America's magnetic shield:
LINK.
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Doug Centers Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 December 2017 at 6:42pm | IP Logged | 8
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Yes Matt, I cringed when I first saw that in the movie.
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Karl Wiebe Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 December 2017 at 7:24pm | IP Logged | 9
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Karl Wiebe wrote: I hated seeing Peter Palmer Parker's eyeballs on his mask at the dramatic realization in Amazing Fantasy #15—that always seemed like a major swing and a miss to me. | | Jason Czeskleba wrote: Really? I think it's an absolutely brilliant move by Ditko to underscore the absolute shock and horror that Spider-Man is feeling in that moment. It requires suspension of disbelief that we can for that one moment see through his eye coverings, but since that is the pivotal emotional moment in the story (and arguably, in Spider-Man's career) it is worth doing. Ditko is the one who made up the rules about Spider-Man's mask. He's allowed to break them if he feels the situation is dramatically warranted.
------------------------------------ No argument here and I can totally respect that. I agree with everything you said. For some reason, I just think it looks hokey and pulled me out of the story. Maybe because I read it years later and in my mind already had a picture in my mind of 1980s Spider-Man.
I don't think it's a 'mistake' in that regard—just that it was an artistic direction that I didn't really like.
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Matt Hawes Byrne Robotics Member
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Just to clarify: A "Mopee" isn't about mistakes, right? I was thinking it's more about an ill-conceived story that was later ignored in the continuity of a series.
Edited by Matt Hawes on 08 December 2017 at 11:16am
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Rick Senger Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 08 December 2017 at 11:59am | IP Logged | 11
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Daredevil used to have a bunch of delicate gadgets in his billy club, including a microphone, smoke screen emitter, etc. that seemed likely to break each time he threw it at somebody. I have a memory that Stan said he was influenced by all Bond's gadgets in the burgeoning James Bond franchise but eventually realized that DD was better with less. I think they also de-emphasized this, which was fine with me.
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Eric Sofer Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 08 December 2017 at 1:10pm | IP Logged | 12
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Matt H. - yup. That's exactly what a Mopee is, and as Mr. Byrne noted, I was entirely wrong with my Captain America quote. Um... oops?
It occurs to me that a lot of recent stories that I've read about (I don't much collect any more) are either Mopees, or are desperately desired to be Mopees by a significant number of readers. We've gone so far away from on-model characterizations that few writers are getting that what they're doing is despised. Kinda sad, really... maybe I should do a topic called, "What stories SHOULD be Mopees?" I'll bet that Spider-Man Clone Sage or Superman revoking his American citizenship would be high on that list...
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