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Bill Collins
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Posted: 23 January 2018 at 1:47pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

I`m only really familiar with Black Lightning from
reading Batman and The Outsiders in the early
80`s,watched the first episode of the new series and
enjoyed it,my one gripe is the new costume,the
illumination looks wrong and makes him a target and
eliminates any stealth he might attempt.Surely there`s
enough light from his powers?
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Eric Jansen
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Posted: 23 January 2018 at 7:57pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

As someone who read the original BLACK LIGHTNING comic as it came out, I'm disappointed in the show.

The original concept was very realistic--a black man who got out of a bad neighborhood (by becoming an Olympic athlete) comes back to his old school as a teacher trying to give back.  But the school and the neighborhood are full of crime and drugs and the teacher, after the death of a student, has to do something.  With the help of an inventive tailor, he dons a heroic guise with limited artificial electric powers (think hi-tech stun gun--something very realistic now).  That's great!  That's one DC's best origins!  (And my description is all from memory--of a comic I read 40 years ago!)

Now, Jefferson Pierce is a middle-aged principal--but can still beat up numerous violent gang members!

Now, his powers are metahuman abilities in his body--now he's an older version of Static Shock!  And who needs the inventor tailor now?

Now, we get to see his two daughters manifest their inherited powers.  I don't know--this is all a sequel to a story that the general public never saw.

A lot of the fun of these adaptations is seeing the hero and his origin right from the beginning.  Here, we skipped to the middle (or is it the end?).  And, so far, the acting (especially by the star) is not looking that great.  And that costume is awful!


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Brian O'Neill
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Posted: 23 January 2018 at 8:03pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Fair point, but the original costume in the comics had gold lightning that might also have affected some of the 'stealth' factor.
I thought it was a good start, and definitely a change of pace to show Lightming as an established hero coming out of retirement, and no tie-in with the Arrowverse, 'metas', etc.
I only remember bits and pieces of Black Lightning's backstory from WORLD'S FINEST, mainly battling against Tobias Whale(I was just a little late to get any issues of his solo comic), that he didn't have 'lightning powers' at first, and then(after his series briefly moved to DETECTIVE COMICS), he accidentally killed someone with his powers, and stopped using them(which led to his subsequent Outsiders gig).
But, when he did have those powers, they were similar to what was portrayed on TV.
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Eric Jansen
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Posted: 24 January 2018 at 1:33am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

I think they actually mentioned "metas" or "metahumans" in the first episode (on a news broadcast).  But, yes, they've said it's not connected to the Arrowverse...which leads me to wonder if they're going to connect it to SUPERGIRL!  After all, the 100 started in the LOIS LANE comic and Black Lightning's comic book neighborhood Suicide Slum is in Metropolis.
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Eric Sofer
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Posted: 24 January 2018 at 9:17am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

In the first episode, there was a mention of other super heroes... but never which ones. This could be Supergirl's Earth, Arrow/Flash's Earth, or an alternate created by the Legends.

I like the story. I have no problem with an Olympic decathlete still being able enough to fight younger men.

I'm not personally all that crazy of the younger daughter getting lit on the roof and drunk in the gym, but I guess story elements will be story elements.

However, the constant urban music in the background is wearing on me REALLY hard and really quickly. I hope for an end to that soon.

And... okay, BL's costume looking like a walking neon sign is kinda bothersome. I'd have much preferred Trever von Eeden's original - just make the yellow a bronze color, and there you go. (And especially the afro wig attached to the mask. A lovely idea!)
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Eric Jansen
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Posted: 24 January 2018 at 9:54am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Yeah, afros were out for about 25 years there, but I think they're back now.  The costume that "had" to be changed now doesn't.
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Rick Whiting
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Posted: 24 January 2018 at 9:54pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Except for them using the middle aged BL with 2 teenage daughters version of the character from the late 90's/early 00's, I like the show so far.
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Eric Jansen
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Posted: 30 January 2018 at 11:26pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

Am I supposed to hate all these characters?  His daughters especially--they're just unlikable.  Except I like the tailor--who is inexplicably a computer and tech expert now.  (And why does a metahuman NEED devices to use his power anyhow?)

They just mentioned Supergirl.  It was in the context of cosplay, but it still sounded like she was a real person here.  So, we call all the other shows the "Arrow-verse," does that make these two shows the "Supergirl-verse"?
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Eric Sofer
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Posted: 31 January 2018 at 8:10am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Eric J. - They DID mention Supergirl. They also mentioned the Outsiders comic book. And Reverend Holt... as in Curtis Holt? If not, WHY pick that surname? I think they're still muddying the waters... but that's a keen catch, comrade.

If you read the original Black Lightning (possible SPOILER), you know that Gambi is much more than a tailor... he is the Metropolis brother of Gambi in Central City (Paul?), who made costumes for all of the Flash's Rogues Gallery, except for a very few, such as Professor Zoom.

And Grodd. :)

It does seem hard to sympathize with a lot of these characters. One has to hope that they'll be turning a corner in this maiden season...
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Eric Jansen
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Posted: 31 January 2018 at 11:35am | IP Logged | 10 post reply

Thanks, fellow Eric!  : )

I remember that Gambi was more than a simple tailor in the comic--he not only costumed Pierce, but he also fitted him with the electric device BL used to shock people (not too far from reality's taser!).  Of course, making BL's electric shock a metahuman power really makes Gambi unnecessary.

That's what happens when you mess with a character's history--there's a domino effect where you have to keep "fixing" other things!
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Bill Collins
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Posted: 31 January 2018 at 11:58am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

The Urban music overkill is symptomatic of many tv shows
nowadays,i`m used to it now.
Still not liking the illuminated costume!
Regarding the affro wig,it would certainly work better
than the goggles as Jefferson has such a distinctive
beard line it `s pretty obvious it`s him, mind you, are
we not seeing the `blinding light` that the characters
see, which i assume obscures his face?
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Brian Floyd
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Posted: 02 February 2018 at 6:30pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

The younger daughter is just plain not likeable.


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Bill Collins
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Posted: 03 February 2018 at 1:41am | IP Logged | 13 post reply

Brian,many teenage girls are like that!
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Wallace Sellars
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Posted: 04 February 2018 at 6:25am | IP Logged | 14 post reply

I saw enough of this shows in previews to know it wouldn’t be for me.
The costume is horrible, and the actor is wrong for the role. Besides,
Static would be a much more entertaining hero to see on screen.

I recently reread the more recent Black Lightning origin story drawn by
Cully Hamner, and though it was at least two issues too long, I
appreciated the explanation about the uniform (specifically the belt)
giving Jefferson Pierce greater control of his powers.
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Paul Kimball
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Posted: 04 February 2018 at 5:08pm | IP Logged | 15 post reply

I have been pleasantly surprised by this show. I think the acting is good,
especially the actors playing black lightning and inspector Henderson. The
main characters acts like a hero, the daughters are annoying but not more than
teenagers often are, all in all, pretty good so far. I do think making the older
daughter a lesbian is going to be a big issue for some people, I expect we'll
soon hear that it's being "rammed down my throat" although no one will feel
that way about main characters heterosexual romance. I hope I'm wrong but
well see.
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Michael Roberts
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Posted: 04 February 2018 at 5:21pm | IP Logged | 16 post reply

Anissa is a lesbian in the comics, so they are just being accurate.


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Besides,  Static would be a much more entertaining hero to see on screen.

As much as I like that BLACK LIGHTNING is doing something different with focusing on a superhero coming out of retirement, I would have preferred Static as well.
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Paul Kimball
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Posted: 04 February 2018 at 5:27pm | IP Logged | 17 post reply



Besides, Static would be a much more entertaining hero to see on screen.
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Maybe if black lightning does welll it will happen.
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Rick Whiting
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Posted: 04 February 2018 at 9:48pm | IP Logged | 18 post reply

The fact that there are a number of people who are asking to either see Static appear in this series or to be given his own live action TV series instead of Black Lightening, convinces me even more that they should have went with a much younger and unmarried (and without kids) version of BL.
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Eric Sofer
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BL DOES seem a pretty good venue to introduce Static. Much as Kid Flash or Aresenal and Speedy.... shucks, Static would put the WB a wink and a nod away from the Teen Titans.
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Paul Kimball
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The fact that there are a number of people who are asking to either see Static
appear in this series or to be given his own live action TV series instead of
Black Lightening, convinces me even more that they should have went with a
much younger and unmarried (and without kids) version of BL.

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I'm enjoying the show so far. Normally we see heroes in their early 20s, this is
a little different. I'm not saying I want to see a hero who is in a nursing
home(although now that I say it......_} but this is a different take at least for tv.
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Rick Whiting
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Posted: 05 February 2018 at 9:34pm | IP Logged | 21 post reply

BL DOES seem a pretty good venue to introduce Static. Much as Kid Flash or Aresenal and Speedy.... shucks, Static would put the WB a wink and a nod away from the Teen Titans.

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Unless DC buys all of the Milestone characters, Static will never appear on this show. Also, I'm sick of redundant knockoff characters with similar powers running around the same universe/continuity.
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Paul Kimball
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Posted: 05 February 2018 at 10:57pm | IP Logged | 22 post reply

Unless DC buys all of the Milestone character++++++++++Xombi, shadow
cabinet, icon, blood syndicate, that would be pretty interesting.

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Eric Sofer
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I thought that DC did own Milestone. Static and the Justice League crossed over a couple of times in their animated shows, and the Milestone characters appeared in Justice League of America and in Brave and the Bold. Granted, those might have been "rentals"... but I don't have any reason to think that DC doesn't have 'em.

And Icon on "Black Lightning" or "DC's Legends of Tomorrow" would be awesome!
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Posted: 06 February 2018 at 2:46pm | IP Logged | 24 post reply

Static, Icon, and Rocket appeared in YOUNG JUSTICE as well. 

The original Milestone retained ownership of the characters. The current Milestone is a new company made of the surviving founders of the original Milestone and Reginald Hudlin, but Dwayne McDuffie’s widow was suing them, saying that they never bought out his share of the original company and just took control of the IP. DC is proceeding with making the Milestone characters part of their multiverse with Earth-M, so I’m assuming that has been settled.
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Marc M. Woolman
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Posted: 07 February 2018 at 7:04pm | IP Logged | 25 post reply

I've been pleasantly surprised with this show.
Generally, inner-city drama doesn't appeal to me, but
the writing on this show has been great! far superior
to Luke Cage.

If I remember correctly, there's a scene in Luke Cage.
in the early, boring episodes, where they layout that
taking the criminal's money would cripple their
operation, and ends with Cage just sitting outside the
storehouse for their money, yet there's still 9 or 10
more episodes to go.

A superhero vs. a thug with a gun is BORING! but
somehow Blacklightning has made the show entertaining.
They've done a good job of getting me to care about
the school he's principal of, and his family.
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