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Sam Houston
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Posted: 09 March 2018 at 7:52pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

I know this may be a subjective topic, but while watching Soap and Benson on Atena TV chanel I thought it interesting that Benson, the spin off, was better than Soap.  What other spin offs seemed/seem better than the original source?
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John Byrne

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Well, first I don't think BENSON was "better than" SOAP.
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Brian Hague
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I watched SOAP regularly. Couldn't find the interest to tune in to BENSON, which seemed like a far more conventional sitcom. 

HAPPY DAYS was probably better in the long run than LOVE, AMERICAN STYLE. 

That FRASIER was able to match CHEERS in quality for much of its run was impressive. 

Now I just have to avoid this thread in anticipation of the first joker who comes along to say TNG or DS9 was better than TOS... grumblegrumblegrumble...

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Rebecca Jansen
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Wasn't Petticoat Junction a spin-off from Green Acres? In that case I liked the spin-off better because the dog was more talented than the pig. :^)

I probably watched The Jeffersons more often than All In The Family, but not sure I'd say it was better. Space: 1999 was not better than UFO, but I didn't know that until I actually got to see UFO finally. However, Space: 1999 did not make people wear purple wigs for no apparent reason. Plus they had more and better comics!
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Doug Centers
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Rebecca, PETTICOAT JUNCTION was first. And I'll take GREEN ACRES over that.

It's close, but I like GOOD TIMES over MAUDE.

THE ANDY GRIFFITH SHOW over THE DANNY THOMAS SHOW. Which I did not know about until many years after seeing my first AGS.

Probably the biggest one for me ; THE SIMPSON'S which spun off of THE TRACEY ULLMAN SHOW.
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Robbie Parry
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I am more of a fan of CSI: MIAMI than CSI. That seems a tad unfair. It's just that gorgeous Miami scenery helps. ;-) 

I preferred COUNT DUCKULA to DANGERMOUSE. 

I love LAW AND ORDER: CRIMINAL INTENT, I may, very slightly, prefer it to the original.

Oh, if anyone dares to say ENOS was a better show than THE DUKES OF HAZZARD, I shall challenge you to a duel! 
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Michael Casselman
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I preferred Law & Order SVU to the original Law & Order, and also preferred Boston Legal over the Practice.
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Jason Scott
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Angel over Buffy.

But I certainly don't dislike the original show. Just felt like the spinoff went to more interesting places, with stronger character arcs. And I guess I like shows with immortal characters. Since their backgrounds can be explored in different time periods. (Obviously you get some of this with Spike, but he wasn't the lead.)

However I do realise it wouldn't have been so great without building upon the original show. Faith's arc for instance works better if you've seen the events that messed her up on Buffy. 
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Eric Sofer
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I don't know about better, but...

I liked "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" and I liked "Angel".

I liked "The Mary Tyler Moore Show", and I liked "Lou Grant" - one of the biggest genre switches ever.

I liked "Soap" and I liked "Benson".

I'll admit that I liked "All in the Family" more than I liked "Maude" or "Good Times." "The Jeffersons" might have been as good, but I didn't watch it very much.

"Bionic Woman" was a little better than "The Six Million Dollar Man", but this was a case where they could do more with the spin-off than the original. I feel that the original had a bit of an obligation to "stick to its roots", while the spin-off could bravely blaze new trails.

I liked "Masters of the Universe" more than "She-Ra."

I did like "Emergency" more than its precedent, "Adam-12."

If it can be considered a spin-off, I loved "The Green Hornet". At the time, I liked "Batman" a little better, but I've changed my tune on that since the originals aired.

"Animaniacs" was fantastic; "Freakazoid" was equally fantastic. Unfortunately, "Pinky and the Brain" seemed to me to lack quite the same appeal; while one or two of the episodes were good, I don't think P&tB were suited to longer adventures.

"I Am Weasel" was far superior to "Cow and Chicken." Seemed obvious to me.

"Happy Days" was good, but I would comment on a couple of its spin-offs. "Laverne and Shirley" was good, but it just didn't appeal to me as much. But I did like "Mork and Mindy" more than H.D. And as for "The Fonz and the Happy Days Gang"... oh, boy.

At the time, I think the spin-off "Agent Carter" was better than "Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D."

And as for "Tiny Toon Adventures"... I'd just as soon say that "Enos" was better than "The Dukes of Hazzard."
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Steven Myers
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Agent Cater is perhaps  my favorite TV show ever. 

I definitely prefer The Jeffersons over the other AITF family of shows.

Pinky and the Brain is my favorite WB show.

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Robbie Parry
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 Eric Sofer wrote:
"Bionic Woman" was a little better than "The Six Million Dollar Man", but this was a case where they could do more with the spin-off than the original. I feel that the original had a bit of an obligation to "stick to its roots", while the spin-off could bravely blaze new trails.

It's been such a long time since I've seen either show. What did you like more about THE BIONIC WOMAN? :)
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 Brian Hague wrote:
HAPPY DAYS was probably better in the long run than LOVE, AMERICAN STYLE.

Apples and oranges.  LOVE, AMERICAN STYLE was an anthology.  The HAPPY DAYS ep was essentially piloting a series within an anthology format.  You really can't compare the former to the later and say one was better than the other if you really want to play fair.
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 Doug Centers wrote:
Probably the biggest one for me ; THE SIMPSON'S which spun off of THE TRACEY ULLMAN SHOW.

Again, apples and oranges.  THE TRACEY ULLMAN SHOW was a skit show.  One skit, THE SIMPSONS, was cleaved off to form its own series.  But it wasn't a "spinoff" in traditional terms.  MAUDE was a spinoff of ALL IN THE FAMILY.  RHODA was a spinoff of THE MARY TYLER MOORE SHOW.  AfterMASH was a spinoff of MASH.  JOEY was a spinoff of FRIENDS. All of those characters shared one thing in common and that was that they interacted with or were integral to the original series.  The aforementioned HAPPY DAYS pilot within LOVE, AMERICAN STYLE wasn't at all integral to the series itself.  It was a one-off, a single episode in 109 episodes spanning five seasons.  THE SIMPSONS wasn't a spinoff of THE TRACEY ULLMAN SHOW.  It was a recurring skit that found popularity that was deemed worthy of a full series treatment.  But I wouldn't call it a "spinoff" of THE TRACEY ULLMAN SHOW but a by-product.  I know it may seem like I'm splitting hairs, but I personally think it's an important distinction.  
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Doug Centers
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Posted: 11 March 2018 at 7:22am | IP Logged | 14 post reply

I'm picking up what your laying down, Matt.

So THE SIMPSONS is my favorite "cleaved-off" show :-)
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Doug Centers
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Posted: 11 March 2018 at 7:24am | IP Logged | 15 post reply

In that vein, was Peggy Carter ever on AOS?
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Brian Miller
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Posted: 11 March 2018 at 7:56am | IP Logged | 16 post reply

No. She’s more spun off from the Marvel movies. 
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Robbie Parry
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 Matt Reed wrote:
I know it may seem like I'm splitting hairs, but I personally think it's an important distinction.

I don't think it's splitting hairs, Matt, I've had this debate offline.

Some soaps here have done special direct-to-DVD films. They are 90 minutes or two hours in length - and usually feature regular cast members visiting another location, e.g. Spain. 

Some describe them as spin-offs. I don't think the terminology is correct. They are "feature-length episodes/movies" (whatever the correct terminology is), not spin-offs.

I've heard various SCOOBY-DOO incarnations described as spin-offs, but are they? That's a franchise which has numerous kinds of shows. If Shaggy, Scooby and Scrappy go off and do TV movies, devoid of the other characters, is that really a spin-off? I'm not so sure.
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I'm going to be controversial.  As much as I loved Breaking Bad, I think Better Call Sault is shaping up to be an even better show.  
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Michael Penn
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I have seen neither. Still, I have a good friend who thinks the same, Steve. But he insists I should watch “Breaking Bad” in any event to prep adequately for “Better Call Saul.”


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Robbie Parry
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I preferred HOLBY CITY to CASUALTY. Casualty was about an A&E department, but after so many years, it's hard to tell new stories; HOLBY CITY was about various wards/specialisations, allowing for new stories to be told.
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Rob Ocelot
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This is an interesting one...

I think TRAPPER JOHN M.D. is better than M.A.S.H. -- at least the incarnation of M.A.S.H. that TJMD is spun off from (the Robert Altman film and not the M.A.S.H. television series)

Does NEWHART's ending technically make it a spinoff of THE BOB NEWHART SHOW, or part of it?

I'm of the opinion that ASHES TO ASHES (with it's associated explanations) was just as good as LIFE ON MARS -- it's one case where the spinoff actually made the originating show better.

From what I understand of how CRUSADE was supposed to unfold it would have eclipsed BABYLON 5.   No mean feat there.   Too bad it got mishandled and shelved.

I put JUSTICE LEAGUE on the same level as BATMAN:TAS.  SUPERMAN:TAS kind of missed the target.

BETTER CALL SAUL is shaping up to be better than BREAKING BAD because there's a point in BB at which you are forced to stop rooting for the lead character and turn to loathing them.   We haven't reached that point in BCS -- yet.  There's also a sense of humor and abusrdity in BCS that is absent from BB that makes the show easier to watch, something that was mostly absent from BB other than the pilot.   I do wonder if and when we start to drift towards the darker aspects of the BB universe if my opinion of BCS will change and perhaps put it on equal footing with it's originating show.   Perhaps "just as good, but in a different way" is a better way to look at it?
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Greg Kirkman
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Perhaps "just as good, but in a different way" is a better way to look at it?
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That's my take. It's almost as if they simply never stopped making BREAKING BAD, but rather jumped back in the show's timeline, switched focus onto a new main character, and are going for a more subtle exploration of many of the same themes. Less shocking high-concept crime-drama, more carefully-crafted character study. The same, but different. More refined, and less dependent upon life-or-death stakes. BB absolutely had a sense of dark humor, but that served mainly as comedy relief from the utterly grim subject matter. BCS still has darkness and drama, but it's looser, lighter, and more relaxed. For now. 

I initially saw BCS as what would hopefully be a great dessert for BB, but it's truly come into its own, and is a great meal unto itself. It's not dependent upon the parent series, but is greatly enriched by knowledge of it. Some viewers watch and love BCS without having ever seen BB.
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Doug Centers
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Whoops, wrong thread

Edited by Doug Centers on 12 March 2018 at 6:33pm
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Bill Catellier
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I prefer
Stargate Atlantis over Stargate SG1
Chicago PD over Chicago Fire 
NCIS over JAG. 

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I liked "Masters of the Universe" more than "She-Ra"
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He-Man and the Masters of the Universe came first.

She-Ra: Princess of Power was the spin-off.
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