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Robbie Parry
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Posted: 14 April 2018 at 6:12pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Firstly, I have no problems with LIVE AND LET DIE. It's an entertaining movie, Roger Moore is perfect as 007, and I enjoy watching it regularly.

However, the more you watch something, the more pedantic you become. I do, anyway. 

To start with, despite the entertaining nature of the film, there is something relatively low-key about Bond taking on a druglord in the US/Caribbean. Following on from the likes of SPECTRE and SMERSH, it does feel low-key in many ways, slightly akin to watching Superman go from battling super-powered villains to taking on bank robbers. 

Also, I never quite understood why MI6 were sending agents to the US/Caribbean to investigate drug smuggling. I am not sure why the CIA were investigating such things, either. The Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) wasn't founded until 1973, and this film was produced prior to the DEA's founding, but it just felt odd to see MI6 concerning itself with drug smuggling by a Caribbean dictator. 

It doesn't detract from the film. I am being pedantic. And maybe following 11 years of SPECTRE/SMERSH was hard, but from the agents killed at the beginning of the film to 007 taking on Kananga, it felt like a peculiar case for James Bond to be handling. 

Incidentally, MI6, the UK's foreign intelligence agency, has this as its mission statement (if that is the correct term):

At the Secret Intelligence Service (SIS) – otherwise known as MI6 – our mission is clear. We work secretly overseas, developing foreign contacts and gathering intelligence that helps to make the UK safer and more prosperous. We help the UK identify and exploit opportunities as well as navigate risks to our national security, military effectiveness and economy. We work across the globe to counter terrorism, resolve international conflict and prevent the spread of nuclear and other non-conventional weapons. We are here to help protect the UK’s people, economy and interests.

Now, I really am being pedantic. The Bond films had a certain amount of verisimilitude and realism (at times, anyway), so although I will always enjoy the film, I'll never quite get why the plot featured MI6 interested in drug smuggling by a Caribbean dictator.


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Peter Martin
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Posted: 14 April 2018 at 6:42pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

"Good Lord," said Bond. "How...where do we come into it?"

In short, in the novel, Mr Big was an agent of SMERSH.
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Peter Martin
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Posted: 14 April 2018 at 6:43pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Just a shame that MI6 didn't have the muscle to put a stop to "To Be With You".
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Brian Floyd
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Posted: 14 April 2018 at 9:31pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

I agree with that wholeheartedly, Peter.

Jane Seymour was also smoking hot as Solitaire. I'm not sure if she's aged well or if she has one hell of a plastic surgeon. 
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Robbie Parry
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Posted: 15 April 2018 at 6:19am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

 Peter Martin wrote:
In short, in the novel, Mr Big was an agent of SMERSH.

Interesting. I must read the novels one day.

I know MI6 agents were killed in the film. But what were MI6 doing on US soil in the first place? What were the CIA doing? As the DEA didn't exist when the film was made, I would have assumed the FBI would have been more likely dealing with Mr. Big.
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Eric Sofer
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Posted: 15 April 2018 at 11:20am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

A two minute scene where the drug smuggling involved the U.K. would have made a little more sense, granted.

Or if Mr. Big were indeed a SMERSH agent.

But what the heck... it's Bond. We just rewatched the remake of "Casino Royale" last night. Boy, do the villains in that movie go out of their way to not just plant a bullet in Bond's head. Oh, sure, they're trying to get him... in the most complicated ways possible. As always, granted, but this one seemed kinda overly gratuitous.

But it's Bond.
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Robbie Parry
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Posted: 15 April 2018 at 11:37am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

 Eric Sofer wrote:
We just rewatched the remake of "Casino Royale" last night. Boy, do the villains in that movie go out of their way to not just plant a bullet in Bond's head. Oh, sure, they're trying to get him... in the most complicated ways possible.

That's Bond in most films! ;-)

I mean, Wint and Kidd knock out Bond in DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER. And bury him in a pipeline in the desert (if I recall correctly). Why not just kill him?
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Jozef Brandt
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I read all of the Bond novels recently and it really made me wish they had stuck closer to them when crafting the movies.  The books are far more gritty and brutal than the films, and the plots are less convoluted and cartoonish.  When the Daniel Craig version of Casino Royale was released, I was sure they would just go through the novels in order after that, but they went their own way and the movies got progressively worse. 

Some of those books would make brilliant films.  Moonraker, in particular was fantastic as a novel and has a plot that could be easily adapted into a modern film.  The movie of that was...well, we all know what it was.
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Mike Baswell
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As I clicked on this thread to read it yesterday, Paul McCartney's theme to the movie came on the internet radio station I was listening to at the exact moment the page loaded. Talk about the old neck hairs rising! I backed away from the computer.
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John Byrne

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Posted: 21 April 2018 at 7:07am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

Jane Seymour was also smoking hot as Solitaire.

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When I read the book in my teens, I read Solitaire as Black. It seemed, at the time, that Fleming was doing everything possible to tell the reader she was Black without actually saying it.

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Robbie Parry
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Posted: 21 April 2018 at 8:21am | IP Logged | 12 post reply

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