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Michael Roberts
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Posted: 09 January 2020 at 9:05pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

It's kind of weird that Abrams's first film (MI III) is still his most daring and satisfying. Maybe because the MI series is built on the kind of random narrative leaps and ticking-clock action pieces that he clearly is drawn to and excels at?


What especially helped with MI-III is that he remembered that the Mission Impossible series was basically mini-heist films with a team of specialists. The first two Mission Impossible movies (and the most recent one) wanted it to be THE FUGITIVE with Tom Cruise on the run. And he already had that formula down with ALIAS.
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John Byrne

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Posted: 16 January 2020 at 9:51am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Disney isn't even being consistent with their own Star Wars canon anymore. I feel dumb for having invested so much time and money in all of the new novels, comics, and video games, which actually were a consistent and solid meta-story until The Last Jedi, where things went seriously awry.

Late to the party, but of course I cannot let this statement slip by without pointing out that STAR WARS ran off the rails with EMPIRE, the first sequel to begin the tearing down process.

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James Woodcock
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Posted: 27 April 2020 at 7:32am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

I've had this Blu Ray a week now. Not watched it.

This film made that much of an impression on me.

The latest Clone Wars episodes though - THOSE I'm loving!
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Bryan Eacret
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Posted: 28 April 2020 at 8:53am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Coming to Disney+ May 4th. 
My interest level is low, but I may put it on if the family wants to watch it again. 
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Peter Martin
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Posted: 28 April 2020 at 9:27am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

I haven't wanted to watch any of the new trilogy a second time.

Even Phantom Menace I was happy to watch a few times and Attack of the Clones a couple.
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Tim O Neill
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Posted: 28 April 2020 at 1:24pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

I've seen it twice since it was released - I bought it on Amazon when it dropped
early due to the quarantine, so it was my first quarantine movie.

I think THE LAST JEDI is the best of the three, and while this is not as good, I
still really enjoy it. Whatever the backstage drama over whether Johnson went
too far afield from what Abrams intended with the trilogy when he did THE
FORCE AWAKENS, I think THE LAST JEDI forced Abrams to up his game and
make something more original in this final chapter rather than a beat by beat
recreation of Lucas' work.

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Shaun Barry
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Posted: 29 April 2020 at 8:51pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Maybe not "beat by beat," but I wouldn't say "more original" either.  RETURN OF THE JEDI is the obvious template for RISE OF SKYWALKER, much like the previous two entries didn't stray too far from the original STAR WARS and EMPIRE.

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Jack Bohn
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Posted: 30 April 2020 at 7:05am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

I've never understood the beat-by-beat complaint. Lucas established in the prequels that each movie in its trilogy has echoes to the corresponding movie in the other trilogies. THE PHANTOM MENACE is beat-by-beat STAR WARS, hidden a bit by the two doing the character introductions are Jedi rather than droids, and (and this is the major miscalculation of Episode One,) the story people are expecting it to be doesn't start until well into the movie, when we rescue our Princess Leia analog, Anakin. (Heh. Just noticed: on the Death Star pretty much only Obi-Wan interacted with Vader, on the Desert Planet he didn't even meet Annie until they were leaving.)

The second movies split the story into two strands and divide our heroes to cover it: Luke/Han&Leia, Anakin&Padme/Obi-Wan, Poe&Finn&Rose/Rey. I've arranged the groups by message/plot, but I haven't thought much about this.

All I can say is it's a good the thing RISE OF SKYWALKER had REVENGE OF THE JEDI and RETURN OF THE SITH as patterns, because it's a mess. Starting with the title, which, even with the pattern, makes no sense. (Like BATMAN v SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE, the title makes no sense! It doesn't even sound like it almost makes sense!) Sometimes a glorious mess -- The first lines, "The dead speak! The galaxy has heard a mysterious broadcast, a threat of REVENGE in the sinister voice of the late EMPEROR PALPATINE." Brilliant! This audience will sit still for three paragraphs of straight exposition, so don't waste five minutes on a speech and everyone wondering if it's really true; we all saw the trailer and have live that for weeks! But mostly just a mess.

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Joe Zhang
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Posted: 05 May 2020 at 1:59am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

I watched this recently. Like parts 7 and 8, this one is visually gorgeous. But it's obvious that if these movies were plotted in advance, they changed course at least twice. And if these were not planned, one has to wonder why the writers, producers and executives get paid the big checks. 

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Dave Kopperman
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Posted: 05 May 2020 at 6:16am | IP Logged | 10 post reply

Yeah, it is sort of mystifying how the last trilogy is the least cohesive of the three.
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Matt Hawes
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Posted: 05 May 2020 at 1:44pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

The sequel trilogy was not planned in advance. I
believe Disney or the producers have acknowledged
as much.

Seems very stupid to have not planned things out,
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Andrew Bitner
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Posted: 13 June 2020 at 1:03pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

STAR WARS, the first movie, was George Lucas' best shot at telling the story he meant to tell. He felt it got about a quarter of the way there, but that was THE story.

EMPIRE STRIKES BACK was not written by Lucas and, as such, it's an interpretation of his characters and setting by *other people.* Many think it is the best of the series. I think it sets up some intriguing possibilities-- which Lucas promptly ruined in RETURN OF THE JEDI (which ranks among my very least-liked of these movies).

RETURN was... awful. It confirms that Vader was being honest and Obi-Wan and Yoda lied to Luke. (Way to go, "heroic" Jedi!) Instead of giving us a genuinely alternative back story--that Vader *was* Luke's father when even Obi-Wan was certain Anakin (who in this version never became Vader) was the father--we got "no, Vader told Luke the truth and wow, who'd see that coming?" Felt to me as though Lucas was doing his best to one-up EMPIRE and fell on his face doing it.

Instead, no, it's all true, and Kenobi and the swamp-dwelling Force geezer are liars whose crass, ham-handed manipulations ought to blow up in their face.

And we get another Death Star. Oooh, scary. (Excuse me while I yawn with excitement.)

And we get fuzzy little forest bears who take down a star-spanning military that the Rebels couldn't beat in a fair fight.

Forget the first or third trilogies, the original trilogy ended about as badly as it could have, at least partly because Lucas had become obsessed with toys and merch rather than telling a goddamn story.

Edited by Andrew Bitner on 13 June 2020 at 1:05pm
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