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Charles Valderrama
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Posted: 10 May 2019 at 6:42am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Awesome video edit of their final duel... would've worked well in the special edition of the original film.

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John Byrne

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Posted: 10 May 2019 at 7:16am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

You probably won't be surprised to learn I don't care for this. For me, it encapsulates all that went wrong with the STAR WARS franchise, as subtlety and elegance were bulldozed over by BIGGER and LOUDER and FASTER.
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Michael Penn
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Posted: 10 May 2019 at 7:33am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

100% agree with JB.
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Robin Taylor
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Posted: 10 May 2019 at 8:47am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

there was a rumor that Lucas had intended to do something like this after Attack of the Clones because Yoda bouncing around would have made Obi-wan bouncing more "believable". It is unnecessary and dumb.

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Alex Prewitt
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Posted: 10 May 2019 at 10:44am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Ugh. Too too much. I wouldn’t have minded a bit of extra juice, but this is overkill. All the effort that went into this, and the Vader costume is so off.
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John Byrne

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Posted: 10 May 2019 at 11:37am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

BTW: I noticed they snipped Leia’s snarky remark about the Falcon. Is this because later movies transformed it from “a piece of junk” to an actual “hot” ship?
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Peter Martin
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And somehow left in Han's reply of 'nice..' to that remark. Weird to remove such a memorable line. Even more curious to think John Williams' music needed replacing as well.

The sequence is OK as a technical exercise, I suppose. It really doesn't work. About as subtle as a brick, right down to the extra shots of Vader staring upward after the battle (not once but twice, to really ram the point home) and the new shots juxtapose really poorly with the escaping-trio strand with its completely different style (e.g. generally static camera vs constantly moving camera).

Lucas intentionally shot Star Wars in an almost documentary style, as if he had happened to capture the action, not trying to big things up with melodramatic camera swoops. Oooooh, look at this!

Also, this now changes the nature of the whole interaction, with Obi Wan getting a proper beat down. Finally, the way Obi Wan fought in Star Wars was hugely influenced by Toshiro Mifune's ronin in Yojimbo. Not spectacular or extravagant, but minimalist and deadly. Blink and you miss it. All the embellishment serves to move them further from samurai, the last vestiges of a more elegant age, and towards something less interesting and more video-gamey.

And Obi Wan's hood looks really dopey.


Edited by Peter Martin on 10 May 2019 at 1:32pm
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John Byrne

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Posted: 10 May 2019 at 1:36pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

I am reminded again of the “remastered” STAR TREK TOS, in which the Enterprise buzzes around like a jet fighter. A classic example of “Because We Can” mentality.
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Doug Centers
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Posted: 10 May 2019 at 3:06pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Peter said just about everything I was thinking!
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David Schmidt
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Posted: 11 May 2019 at 12:39am | IP Logged | 10 post reply

It's interesting but it would make no sense at all in the movie. Too different rythm.
In Star Wars this scene meant something and had a dramatic purpose. It was not supposed to impress the audience like in the prequels.

Which reminds me how sad I was to watch Yoda bounces and fight with a saber...
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Eric Smearman
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Posted: 11 May 2019 at 11:39am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

Jeez, don't give Lucas any ideas...
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Andy Mokler
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Posted: 11 May 2019 at 2:55pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

As a technical exercise, this is pretty well done.  I'm actually more impressed with Obi-Wan than I am with Vader in that regard.  Probably because I think it would be the opposite.  

But as well done as it is, it really doesn't "fit".  On many levels.  
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