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Brian Hague
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Posted: 25 June 2019 at 3:54am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

My friend who loves The Phantom Menace more than most things in this life has said, "Yeah, can't read comics. Can't figure out where you're supposed to go next or what you're supposed to read..." 

So I got her the adaptation of TPM. Now she'll have to figure out how to read it. Hopefully knowing the film will help.

My guess is she still won't give it a go, however.

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John Byrne

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Posted: 25 June 2019 at 4:43am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Closer than what Hollywood had given us before? I’m not sure how anyone actually familiar with the characters could say that. Even the Adam West version was more on-model.
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Joe Hollon
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Posted: 25 June 2019 at 5:47am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

With hindsight and increased knowledge/familiarity
since I was ten in 1989 the biggest sin of the movie
is the Bat-armor. Batman is NOT a bullet proof guy
walking around fighting crime. Totally off the mark.
And they double-downed on this by making it the full
emphasis of the VERY FIRST scene where we get to
actually see Batman. He gets shot right in the chest,
flops down on the ground and we see the bullet hole.
Then he pops up after playing possum to defeat the
crooks. I can't think of a more off model
introduction to the character. And sadly, that cast a
LONG shadow that we are still seeing 30 years later in
which all the movie versions are wearing all black
armor. So weird.

I'd say it's the equivelent of the organic web
shooters but if there had also been a scene that
specifically drove home to the audience how dumb Peter
Parker was. Hollywood came around on that one...but
now Spider-Man wears armor in all the movies so we're
all doomed and I'm crawling back into my hole.
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John Byrne

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Posted: 25 June 2019 at 5:56am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

As I have said many times, armor defeats the basic psychology of Batman: he’s a guy in tights AND THE BADGUYS CAN’T KILL HIM.

Once the badguys know he’s wearing armor, they know he’s human—and killable.

(One of Frank Miller's stranger ideas in DKR was that Batman had, in fact, armored the emblem on his chest. He was basically "inviting" the badguys to shoot at it, not somewhere else, and that was why he wore it. But I sad to him at the time, if I was a Gotham gangster who was that good a shot, I'd be aiming at the one place I knew WASN'T armored, the lower half of his face.)

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Peter Martin
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Posted: 25 June 2019 at 11:11am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Yeah, hated the bulletproof Batman and it was nuts that they went there straight away, like you say Joe. 
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Tony Tower
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Posted: 25 June 2019 at 11:21am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

. . . I remember when the film came out (and on various viewings at home), that line was edited down so that it was actually a command to his goons:  "Get those wonderful toys."  Which I always found curious, and a bit clunky.

Well, fast forward to a few nights ago, when I watched the 2-disc special edition DVD, and I swear the line is back to the original, "Where does he get..."

My recollection is that right around there was one of the spots where the projectionists' changed film reels, so the few words being clipped wasn't so much an edit as a glitch. Not an issue in home video. . .


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Charles Valderrama
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Posted: 25 June 2019 at 11:54am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

I enjoyed Burton’s Batman mainly because we finally got a serious (mainly) take on the character and Gotham City looked like no other city in the world... which was a nice thought. Extra points for the terrific score by Danny Elfman that remains timeless in my opinion... whenever I read Batman I can't help but "hear" that music!

Near-perfect Joker origin as well. It's been downhill ever since unfortunately.

-C!
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John Byrne

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Posted: 25 June 2019 at 12:34pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

Except for the Joker not NEEDING an origin.
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Peter Martin
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Posted: 25 June 2019 at 1:01pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Regarding the look of Gotham, I was bowled over by Anton Furst's designs. They looked amazing and that look and feel worked really well when carried over to the very stylised Animated Series. But in a live action film, I felt it worked a little against proceedings, undermining the verisimilitude. To that end, I actually preferred the Chicago location shooting used for Batman Begins.
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Doug Jones
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Posted: 25 June 2019 at 1:18pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

Batman gets shot in the first scene. Batman, chased by Joker's goons, pulls Vicki Vale out of a moving tank in order to…inexplicably run down the street. Batman dispatches a toxic chemical plant by blowing up it up into the atmosphere--with people inside it. Batman machine-guns criminals over crowds of civilians, then releases air balloons filled with toxic gas over the ocean. Alfred walks Vicki Vale into the Batcave on an unsuspecting Bruce with no explanation at all. Joker’s connection to the Wayne murders turns the entire film into a revenge story. Batman walks around with a retractable spatula in his wrist.


My anticipation for the film was high, and the disappointment equally so. Loved the music and Anton Furst’s production design, but man, it was a long 16 years until BATMAN BEGINS.

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John Byrne

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Posted: 25 June 2019 at 1:30pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

Regarding the look of Gotham, I was bowled over by Anton Furst's designs.

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When I met him, Furst was quite forthcoming about having been heavily influenced by STREETS OF FIRE.

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Joe Hollon
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Posted: 25 June 2019 at 3:00pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

My post above was negative so now I'll give the
positives that have stuck with me from BATMAN (it's been
probably 20 years since I saw it):

1- Elfman music
2- Nicholson's performance overall
3- Batmobile design
4- Gotham City design, models and sets they used
5- Joker's origin left him deformed, NOT wearing clown
make up!
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