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Joe S. Walker
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Posted: 21 July 2019 at 9:18am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

I thought the other day that comics fans should know better than most people that ALL changes to a character are reversible. And plenty of ďbig changesĒ end up as half-forgotten embarrassments sooner or later.
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Mark Waldman
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Posted: 22 July 2019 at 7:32pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

I think this thread is a bit confused. In a less aggressive way, it sounds like the disenfranchised white men who show up at Trump rallies. It's not like Bond is Jane Bond now and will be played by a woman, much less a woman of color (egad!!!)... it's a plot device to give a little wink to all the busy journalists who pontificate Bond should be a black man, or a woman. Here's a retired Bond (key to all this), with his number being reassigned to another agent, who happens to be a woman, and happens to be black. 007 is a black woman. I'm guessing this won't be for the whole movie, or in future movies, so everyone can breathe into a paper bag and will be fine. I think it's a fun way to poke at those who try to drum up a debate about the topic and makes sense given the fact, again, James Bond retired.

More concerning are why they let this leak, why we are to believe Daniel Craig's 007 went from a baby agent to retired in a short span, and why of all the women who came and went from Daniel's life, he'd pick the one he did who has the personality of a mannequin. Inquiring minds...
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Jim Muir
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Posted: 23 July 2019 at 1:50am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

<<why we are to believe Daniel Craig's 007 went from a baby agent to retired in a short span>>

That's long troubled me. Casino Royale is his first outing, and Quantum happens literally minutes afterwards. Then Skyfall comes along and suddenly he's been doing this for years and he's on his way out.
Bizarre.
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Kevin Brown
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Posted: 23 July 2019 at 10:48am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Jim, he's been a secret agent for years, but only a 00 for a short period of time.  He had to earn that right.
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Brian Miller
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Posted: 23 July 2019 at 11:03am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Kevinís exactly right. He was a secret agent long before he earned his license to kill and his 00 number. CASINO ROYALE is simply his first outing as a 00 agent. 
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Jim Muir
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Posted: 23 July 2019 at 12:49pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Oh wow... thatís never even occurred to me!
How does that work, though? He Surely must have killed during his time as NOT a 00? He works with loads of other secret service personnel who arenít 00s who wield guns. Moneypenny for example was an armed field agent in Skyfall!

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John Byrne

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Posted: 23 July 2019 at 1:30pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Sometimes agents kill in the line of duty. For 00 agents, killing IS the line of duty.
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Koroush Ghazi
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Posted: 23 July 2019 at 7:36pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

 Mark Waldman wrote:
It's not like Bond is Jane Bond now and will be played by a woman, much less a woman of color (egad!!!)... it's a plot device to give a little wink to all the busy journalists who pontificate Bond should be a black man, or a woman.


A plot device generally refers to something which moves the plot forward. I think the words you're looking for are 'publicity stunt':)

Will be interesting to see if there is reverse outrage - and whether it is equally as mocked - when, inevitably, at the end of the movie, Bond gets his 007 back.

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Didier Yvon Paul Fayolle
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Posted: 23 July 2019 at 8:23pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Will he?... This is the last of Daniel Craig's Bond. I
think they are going to test the waters with this one
and see how it is received by the public.

We will have a new Bond ultimately, and by a younger
actor, for sure, but he may have to earn even harder his
00 license to kill...

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Jim Muir
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Posted: 24 July 2019 at 6:12am | IP Logged | 10 post reply

<<Will he?>>

I'll call the easy ones - yes he will.

James Bond and 007 are interlinked and interchangeable. Sure, you can play with the idea for a movie if you want - Timothy Dalton spent a movie with his license revoked, after all -  but the toys always go back in the box at the end.

And in the highly unlikely event Bond was replaced in future by Lashana Lynch, for example... well, it wouldn't be a James Bond film, would it?


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Koroush Ghazi
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Posted: 24 July 2019 at 6:53am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

Yep. I summoned up all that outrage for nothing.. NOTHING I tells ya!

New details reveal it to be the pointless attention-grabbing nonsense that is Hollywood's bread and butter. Plus Barbara Broccoli at least seems to get the character her dad left her in charge of - from this Harper's Bazaar article:


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Broccoli said, "Bond is male." She continued, "He's a male character. He was written as a male and I think he'll probably stay as a male."

"We don't have to turn male characters into women. Let's just create more female characters and make the story fit those female characters."


As does, apparently, the writer:


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Writer Waller-Bridge addressed the problematic way in which Bond has seemingly always treated women and suggested that his behavior didn't need to change in the new movie "...the important thing is that the film treats the women properly. [bond] doesn't have to. He needs to be true to this character."
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Stephen Churay
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Posted: 04 August 2019 at 7:07am | IP Logged | 12 post reply

I say they make tbe character trans. Then
everybody/nobody is happy.
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