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James Woodcock
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Posted: 03 August 2019 at 4:05pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

What is shocking about the currently available versions of the films is just how messed up the colour correction is. 

Everything has a blue tinge (especially noticeable in the white corridors of the blockade runner and Stormtroopers - those should be a brilliant white) And there is also a lot of green (which can be seen in C-3PO particularly).


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Peter Martin
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Posted: 03 August 2019 at 9:30pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Yes, that is the shocking part.
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Peter Martin
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Posted: 03 August 2019 at 9:37pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

I will add: I think that colour grading is a blight on modern film-making and less restraint in this area is needed, but when it comes to the tweaked/butchered versions of Star Wars, it really is a minor concern relative to the outrageous other changes. I can live with cool-palette StormTroopers. Amiga-graphics Jabba spouting the same dialogue as the previous scene? Send it back to the editing floor! 
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James Woodcock
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Posted: 04 August 2019 at 12:24am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

For me, added scenes are bad also, but for every frame to be so badly butchered by looking as wrong as it does - and it really does look terrible compared to what it should look like - makes for a 2 hour experience of frustration, while the added Jabba scene lasts what? Two or so minutes?

You can even press the scene skip function. You can't get those colours corrected.

And let's not even talk about the green 'training saber' in the Falcon scene (I know they have now fixed that, but it really does show the lack of care and attention when colour grading that film)
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Peter Martin
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But what defines the 'shouldedness' of the colour grading? The look of the film stock in 1977? Who truly knows what that looked like more than George Lucas? When you talk about  brilliant white, I see in most stock photos a kind of pee-yellow white that I'm not convinced was the original intent or actual look.

Film degrades with time. Digital footage does not. Most colour-grading complaints online are based on a 90s version versus a post-2000s version. You speak as if you have an absolute memory of the original colour-grading of the original film, which I know you do not.

Here's a photo of Vader from the original storybook, published in 1978:


Notice how this pre-1980s picture has a pink lightsabre and an otherwise blue colour-cast. And yet the re-issue isupposedly is the source of the pink lightsabre and the blue colour-cast.... Maybe that was the way Lucas saw it since the beginning.


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Peter Martin
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Posted: 04 August 2019 at 1:09am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Which is to say, you could easily be right about the colour grading being wrong. But I don't think you can definitively say your memory of the original grading is so perfect, that the colour grading is shocking.

Who has held the perfect fidelity of the original colours in their head these last 42 years to that degree of certitude? Who can objectively ignore all VHS and TV transfers, saying those versions haven't in any way swayed their memories , and that what is in their head is solely the original multitude of relative colours in different lighting conditions to the extent that the restored version by Lucasfilm is shocking?

I think the Jabba scene is easier to be sure about...
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James Woodcock
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Posted: 04 August 2019 at 9:44am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Peter, all I can say is I was shocked @ the blue tinge, in that I was surprised (which is a dictionary definition of shock). You werenít. Thatís fine. 

It certainly wasnít blue on initial release


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Shaun Barry
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Posted: 05 August 2019 at 7:05pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply


We may be old, but the original STAR WARS still makes me feel young, dammit, every time I see it!



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