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Peter Martin
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Posted: 14 August 2019 at 8:48am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

No he doesn't, you do.

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John Byrne

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Posted: 14 August 2019 at 12:39pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Today I coined the phrase (or maybe I didn’t) “murder by suicide” to cover what likely happened to Epstein. “Just look the other way for a while and this will all take care of itself.”
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Eric Sofer
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Posted: 14 August 2019 at 5:16pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

There used to be a joke about Atlantic City, New Jersey: "The victim was handcuffed and gagged, and was shot twelve times, stabbed six time, and severely beaten. So the police conclude that it was suicide."
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Joe Zhang
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Posted: 15 August 2019 at 9:48am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Was he strangled? 

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Marc Baptiste
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Posted: 15 August 2019 at 9:55am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Killing yourself by way of hanging is actually a fairly messy business - as I understand it the person attempting to commit suicide will often (and instinctively) panic at a certain point into the process and the body will revolt against what is happening to it (constriction of the neck, lack of oxygen, etc.).  If this happened to Epstein, it wouldn't be unusual that signs of him "resisting" (e.g., bruising, multiple broken neck bones) would show up in an autopsy.

I agree with JB - this looks a lot like "murder by suicide".

Marc

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Eric Sofer
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Posted: 15 August 2019 at 11:30am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

A further comment... the actual manner of death by hanging is a sufficient fall to break the neck, and resulting in a (relatively) quick and painless death. (If you're interested in seeing it in a movie, check out "The Mummy" with Brendan Frasier. The hanging scene shows, "Ah, his neck did not break. Now we get to watch him strangle." Further, trivia about that movie indicates that Frasier's neck nearly did break, and he passed out, hands bound and in a noose.)

There's a reason gallows are so high; to ensure the fall is long enough. That's rarely possible in (for example) a jail cell. Which means that the result is death by asphyxiation, and that's a horrible way to go. As Marc B. noted, it could very easily result in struggling, twisting and turning to get free - and which could easily produce neck damage.
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