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Greg McPhee
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Posted: 03 March 2020 at 10:55am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

It actually doesn't succeed at the Cartmel Masterplan. It confuses it even more.

Cartmel, Aaronovitch and Platt added an air of mystery to the Doctor, but they had a solution that the Doctor was a re-incarnation of the Other. Their plan didn't invalidate anything or cause "everything you know is wrong". It kept the stories from 1963 intact.

Chibnall has just thrown darts at the board, and hopes to see what sticks. 
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Robbie Moubert
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Posted: 03 March 2020 at 12:28pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Marc Platt is a lovely chap but I'll take Chibnall's idea over the dreadful loom nonsense (which thankfully never made it into the series)
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Rebecca Jansen
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I'm trying to make the best of it as we had to with Cartmel way back. It's always been like this in a way, some things work and other things you try and forget. It was a show with an alien guy and his granddaughter traveling to historic times with a couple of school teachers. If Peter Capaldi appears at the end of next season and says he's been around all along not having regenerated but had to fool some other Galifryean into thinking she was him for awhile while he did something else unnoticed to save the universe... I'd be good with that. :^)

There were some very daft Capaldi episodes though, and some daft Smith, and some daft Hartnell.
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Brian Floyd
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Posted: 03 March 2020 at 6:44pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Yes, but there have been more daft Whittaker ones than not.


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Joe S. Walker
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If Peter Capaldi appears at the end of next season and says he's been around all along not having regenerated but had to fool some other Galifryean into thinking she was him for awhile while he did something else unnoticed to save the universe... I'd be good with that. :^)

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Can you imagine the general reaction online: "Female Doctor Erased"? The BBC wouldn't dare.
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Greg McPhee
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I liked Capaldi as the Doctor. Good actor and right for the role that was bogged down by a 60/40 split with bad and good stories.

Apart from Deep Breath, Listen, Time Heist and The Caretaker, maybe at a push The Magician's Apprentice / The Witch's Familiar, I found the non-Moffat scripted episodes a better fit for Capaldi once his character was really ironed out.
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Steve De Young
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Posted: 04 March 2020 at 3:27pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

If Peter Capaldi appears at the end of next season
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This is NuWho.  If Capaldi reappears, he'll probably be the Valeyard. 
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Bill Collins
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Posted: 05 March 2020 at 2:20am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

The drop in viewing fugures is not good. I see on other
forums a curious trait. People complain about the poor
scripts, acting and unsubtle lecturing. But a very vocal
minority reply with gushing praise, throwing insults of
sexism, racism etc. There`s definitely a bit of
Emeperor`s New Clothes syndrome going on. I want to like
it, being a fan for 50 years, but it really does seem to
get worse with each episode. Also, Doctor Ruth, has made
more of an impact on me in her limited air time than Ms
Whittaker has in two seasons. I stated in a previous
post that the new Master was very "Pantomime", well in
the season finale he took that to the max, awfully OTT!
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Greg McPhee
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I thought in his 1st go round as The Master that John Simm overplayed it a bit, but by the end of Capaldi's tenure he gave a much more restrained and sinister performance.

Sacha Dhawan is playing the role like he was Captain Hook in a panto performance in Blackpool.
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Scott Adsit
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I'm working on a Fantastic Four script where we find out that everything we thought we knew was a lie. Reed learns that he is not a human super genius, but actually the messiah-offspring of The Watcher and Galactus, who are not what we thought they were. It's revealed that The Watcher and Galactus are not in fact otherworldly infinite overbeings from outer space, but rather other-realmy, omnipotent super-mega-overbeings from a universe that exists within the mind of an amorphous Skrull baby who is actually a mirrorscape alter-iteration of Paste Pot Pete. I think this will improve the characters and finally give the writers some room to play.




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Jozef Brandt
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Scott channeling Emery Calame there. :D So the Doctor was originally a ten year old non-Galifreyan alien girl of an unnamed alien race (with two hearts?) who gets first adopted by and then is experimented on by her Gallifreyan "mother" who repeatedly kills her to steal her magic regeneration powers. She has a string of incredibly diverse regenerations until all boxes have been checked, before finally becoming the Hartnell Doctor with an erased memory? I just can't...fathom, how anyone could possibly think this is a good idea? The word garbage doesn't even begin to cover it. The Cartmel Masterplan was fanwanky 30+ years ago, and Chinballs somehow thought it didn't go far enough in its wankery...it really puts the dummmm in dumpster fire.

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Bob Simko
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Or, the Master lies.
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