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Rebecca Jansen
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Location: Canada
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Posted: 09 April 2021 at 9:50pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Chauvin's defense being able to ask hypothetical situations of a medical witness today and get responses is definitely beyond the pale. Was there even an objection by prosecutors or is it not allowed? Could Mr. Floyd possibly if he hadn't been kneeled on but panicked while having fentanyl in his blood have a heart attack? Yes, theoretically. So that's a yes, he could've had a heart attack. I mean come on! Do they allow this ridiculous theater in banana republic courts? Before I get talked down to and talked over again, I mean I have had someone lecture me, a long standing client and financial supporter of the local women's sexual assault center, here about my insufficient outrage or seriousness towards sexual discrimination allegations about a television producer... can we just remember that Canada did not invade and occupy another country based on falsified evidence and deception? That Canada did not invite Russian oligarchs on a banned list into a top executive building and share classified information with them? That Canada does not protect firearms and weapons manufacturers from litigation? That Canada does not routinely refuse to abide by final arbitration rulings in trade disputes started overwhelmingly by U.S. industry lobbyists based on falsehoods? That Canada didn't pressure another country into extraditing a third party foreign business head with no real plans of ever helping to achieving that never minding a real prosecution case,but leaving the extraditing agreement upholder left to face retaliation on it's own for multiple years?

Assuming one does care about their country, and about actually protecting vulnerable groups, and not just hollowly showing off how more absolute one is to everyone else, then how many days of this bizarre trial of just one of the four officers will it take to admit this is not much of a system to have much trust in? I pretty much stand by what I have expressed as neither ridiculous, negative, or intended as simplistic attack. Canada has historically been more of a nation of laws and not mobs. Canada's growth was not expansion at gunpoint of mobs of settlers moving in at the expense of Native Americans and Spanish-Americans. Mounted police preceeded development, not something thrown in as an afterthought ala a General Custer nor a pretense of justice after the fact with extremely biased hanging judges. Our justice system is not nearly as bent by money, power, celebrity or class, nor as political, and I think there are things that can be learned from it that would benefit the U.S. greatly just as Canada can find other systemic solutions and innovations from the older land of opportunity next door. Constitutional law was perhaps one we should not have tried on, but we did; our getting a Canadian constitution has so far been more a boon to regional grievances and a make work for lawyers tool than a needed enshrining of individual rights, nor has U.S. corporate law been much help against some of the abuses still seen in many modern countries.

Whatever we are doing we are not seeing as many celebrity judges and lawyers, not as many topsy-turvy decisions emerging from trials, not sparking our own mobs taking to the streets in outrage time and again, not at the mercy of politically appointed actors at the top of the judiciary over the genuinely qualified and merited. If you don't have a solid justice system, and you do not, you have massive warehouses of the poor and minority groups while the puppets of generational wealth make laws and evade real justice with their top criminal defense lawyers more often than they actual face any consequences from their actions. Officer Chauvin did what he did perhaps because he expected to get away with it thanks to the terrible record of the U.S. courts in serious sentences for serious crimes for some but none for others. The U.S. justice system itself is a corrupting influence on society as it stands. This trial is as loaded with detracting practices as any other high profile case. If it results in something other than the usual nothing happens that will be mostly down to sheer amount of documentation, and not a so-called "clever strategy" to have basic medical facts about human bodies given!

Thank you for allowing me to have my say here! :^)
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John Wickett
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Joined: 12 July 2016
Location: United States
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Posted: 10 April 2021 at 1:08am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

"Do they allow this ridiculous theater in banana republic courts?"

No. In those countries Chauvin and his cohorts would still be on the job, and there would be no trial for you to vent about, nor would there be widespread media coverage of what the officers did.  

I don't agree with every decision that's been made in this case by the attorneys or the judge, but the system is working the way it is supposed to.  And the trial is being broadcast for transparency; not entertainment. 

I think you're putting the cart before the horse by assuming what the outcome will be.  The cases you are comparing this one to are all very different.

As for the rest of your post, you've put me in a tough spot.  I don't believe its true that I have talked down to you or talked over you during this discussion, and I would like to keep it that way.  But honestly, your rant about America comes across as you lashing out in frustration because you were unable to make the points you wanted to make about our court system.

You're right.  U.S. History is filled with tragedies, scandals, and injustices, and they are glaringly inconsistent with the principles we espouse as a nation.  So I won't even try to defend all of the issues you've pointed out.  I also won't bother to list all of the things that make this a great country, because you probably already know them.
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Doug Centers
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Joined: 17 February 2014
Location: United States
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Posted: 10 April 2021 at 5:17am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

" Canada's growth was not expansion at gunpoint of mobs of settlers moving in at the expense of Native Americans and Spanish-Americans."


You're right, mostly Canada's westernly growth was at the expense of the natives by penpoint.  Also the indigenous peoples of Canada didn't gain the right to vote until 1960, so much for being the progressive neighbor.

Edited by Doug Centers on 10 April 2021 at 6:50am
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