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Peter Martin
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Just been reading about Voyager 1, where it is now -- passing through the interstellar medium -- when it will reach the Oort Cloud and where it might be in tens of thousands of years. It conjures an odd feeling of loneliness.
Edited by Peter Martin on 01 July 2020 at 10:41am
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Carlos Velasco
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| Posted: 24 July 2020 at 10:48am | IP Logged | 2
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The moment might be closer than expected:
Pentagon UFO unit to publicly release some findings after ex-official says ‘off-world vehicle’ found
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John Byrne
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The moment might be closer than expected...•• But most likely not.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 24 July 2020 at 11:07am | IP Logged | 4
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The "Fermi Paradox"--perhaps better thought of as the Fermi Gigantic Hubris--asks "If aliens exist, where are they?" Why aren't they here, in other words.But why would they be?
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Carlos Velasco
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Exactly! Sometimes we really should ask the opposite questions that we usually ask. This is just another example.
Normally those questions are related to similar things, i. e. "why am I not happy doing this?" instead of "why am I still trying to be happy doing this when it's clearly not what my animal race has been doing for thousands of years?".
Back to the UFOs, the "off-world vehicles" are probably secret Russian or Chinese machines.
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John Byrne
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Or are a fragment of a piece of a scrap of a rumor that somebody took the wrong way.
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Joe Zhang
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The Ufologists believe that there are bits and pieces of UFOs scattered all over the world. Which, if true, means that the aliens know how to travel across galaxies, but never quite got the hang of quality control.
Edited by Joe Zhang on 24 July 2020 at 5:42pm
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Eric Sofer
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Bits and pieces all over the world? Unless an alien manufactured item struck the Earth, I don't think that's too likely... unless they adhere to the "most popular visitor attraction in the universe" theory.
Even if an interstellar craft, for sake of discussion, blew up or self-destructed, only the fragments that A) hit the cone of gravity from their location and B) didn't burn up on re-entry would be found. That's in an entire universe. I think the chances of finding detritus on Earth just slightly higher than finding such on Luna. It's just such a danged big universe!
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Joe Zhang
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The Ufologists also say the government is in possession of intact UFOs. A claim the NYTimes is now hinting at. So, there are a whole chain of extraordinary suppositions. That aliens are visiting Earth. That they have crashed their spaceships not just once, but many times, which suggests they have unimaginably advanced technology but horrible engineering. And that they would actually let humans keep these craft, like it's just junk to to them. And that we wouldn't learn anything from these that could cause problems for them later.
From bottom up, an unlikely story.
Edited by Joe Zhang on 25 July 2020 at 9:40pm
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Bill Dowling
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“Human meat would be extremely toxic to any creature that did not evolve in the same gene pool we did. Similarly, standard sci-fi scenarios of aliens coming to strip us of our “resources” fail to consider how plentiful and easy to access such things are in the Solar System beyond Earth’s orbit.”
What if FTL travel remains a practical impossibility, but someone, somewhere invents a practical means to travel to other worlds from a multiple-worlds multiverse perspective? All of a sudden, those things are turned on their head. Our meat wouldn’t be toxic to beings evolved from lions on an alternate earth. It may be difficult to choose what earth you travel to, so finding an uninhabited earth to plunder for resources may be much harder than simply subjugating a relatively lower tech version of ourselves.
I don’t believe in UFOs (except in the literal definition sense), but they make more sense as attempts to travel between dimensions than as the end result of an FTLA mission.
Edited by Bill Dowling on 26 July 2020 at 10:36am
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Bill Dowling
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“ I think one of the fallacies we fall into with regards to life in the universe is the assumption that it has to follow the basic rules of life as we know it on this planet with regards to what we perceive as the building blocks or other requirements.”
One very important reason to assume life follows the same basic rules everywhere is not because it’s likely to be true, but rather because if we don’t make that assumption we have no idea what to look for.
When we assume life is like us, we know to look for worlds in habitable zones with too much O2 in their atmosphere. Ideally broadcasting radio and tv signals.
If we take into account all the ways life could conceivably exist, what do we look for? How will we know if we found it?
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Eric Sofer
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Of course, for all we know, an opposite assumption might be true. The universe might be LOADED with life, and they just don't care about us. Ships with drive systems that are invisible to us, the majority of planets with life at levels about equal to ours, or maybe a little advanced. A bare handful of planets with societies capable of interstellar travel who have seen SO many planets like Earth that they're just boring... like castles in Europe. One castle is fascinating. Forty-'leven castles is just another big stone house.
"Commander, we've found another yellow star with a society Gamma 7 level." "No extra-system travel yet. Very well. Mark it down, and let's move on." "Commander, shouldn't we take a look? Maybe it's something new!" "Sigh. Ensign, you're new to the patrol. Planets like this are a dime a dozen. If we stop, all we'll do is cause a fuss, maybe start a war or two, and all for a planet of 'We're the best thing in the universe!'" It's not worth it. Once they make it into deep space, then we'll look into them."
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