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Walt Hall
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I've always wondered how limitless this is. Based on the Breaker of Worlds in Al Ewing's Immortal Hulk, it does seem infinite. At first I thought it was the TOBA but as I have re-read the series, it appears the TOBA can only use the host and why it was obsessed with the Hulk. That limitless potential made him the perfect vessel.
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Joe Hollon
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TOBA?
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Joe Hollon
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I don't think it makes sense for Hulk's strength to
truly be infinite. Anger gives people adrenaline rushes
which allow them to accomplish feats they normally
can't. His is a gamma-irradiated and enhanced version
of that. The Hulk is a physical being who should have
natural (although superheroic) limits.
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Walt Hall
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TOBA = The One Below All. In Immortal Hulk 25, the Hulk was the lone being to survive our Universe as Galan of Taa survived the last to become Galactus. Instead of being a devourer of worlds, the Hulk has become the Breaker of Worlds and scours the universe as a colossal being smashing worlds with his fists and snuffing out stars in his hands. He has broken everything in the next universe.
TOBA has co-opted the Hulk for his limitless strength to be the vessel by which everything is destroyed. One living thing is sent back through time into our universe with the knowledge of what is to come as warning about the Hulk. Unfortunately it was captured by the Leader and only he possesses that information.
That is the short hand version.
Edited by Walt Hall on 07 July 2020 at 8:40am
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Rick Senger
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*shrug* My Marvel is deader than the theory of phlogiston.
Edited by Rick Senger on 07 July 2020 at 8:58am
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Joe Hollon
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wow.
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Walt Hall
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Agree to an extent. Immortal Hulk by Ewing, Thor and Venom by Donny Cates are currently the only thing I currently find interesting. There are a few good titles.
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Byron Graham
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To quote Mark Ruffalo in THE AVENGERS film, "This all seems... horrible."
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Immortal Hulk brought me back to the Hulk. It's an interesting take, kind of ghoulish and exploring the horror side of the Hulk.
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Eric Sofer
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Gods, this has gone way too far. If Marvel is going for Galactus-level Hulk, then they have to take the WHOLE package, and use the "Arrgh! Now Hulk angry! Hulk smash! Hulk just want to be left alone!" model, I feel.
I have to paraphrase Mr. Byrne: "Remember all that great stuff Stan and Steve did? Let's not do that!"
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...apologies for being sour and maybe snarky, but... this
all makes me quite happy that I had no clue whatsoever what
TOBA is.
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Guys, I don't get why you're upset. The story is a "possible future." It takes place beyond "the end of time." And the issue in which it happens makes for a "dense" read but it's not "the polar opposite of Stan and Jack" or whatever.
The One Below All is essentially the actual Devil. Not Mephisto, who poses as such -- the real Adversary (I think "Satan" is "adversary" in Hebrew). There's a lot of Biblical stuff in THE IMMORTAL HULK but it works very well. It's a horror title.
The most recent issue explains, brilliantly, why the Leader keeps dying and coming back and dying and coming back -- I remember many times no explanation ever offered, it was like a running gag. Well, now we know why.
If you haven't been reading it pick up the first TPB. It's the best comic that the either of the Big Two are putting out.
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