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Chris Durnell
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Posted: 04 November 2020 at 3:47pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Shooter seemed to have an obsession with throwing godlike characters at his heroes.  He used it with Modru and the Legion of Super Heroes.  He used it with Korvac and the returned Molecule Man in the Avengers.  He used it again with the Beyonder.  And he would use it once more at Valiant.

I think it was his way to provide with a powerful threat that could defeat large groups of powerful heroes, and he thought it would be interesting to show how it could be done and explore characterization of the heroes as they dealt with such a threat.  If so, that's fine for one story, but he kept drawing water from the same well.  Maybe that was a conscious decision or an unconscious one.  In any case, there was definitely a decreasing return as he told it again and again.  I like Shooter a lot, but SW2 was definitely a case of his ambition exceeding his talents/execution.

The Beyonder always seemed to me more of a plot device than a real character.  So I was never bothered by him being introduced as an all powerful character that could knock down Galactus as I was by other beings who did that.  The end of SW2 definitively eliminated the Beyonder at all.  The story was over.  Why in hell subsequent writers brought him back was always perplexing to me.
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John Byrne

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Posted: 05 November 2020 at 10:29am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Misunderstood godlike beings.
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Michael Penn
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Posted: 05 November 2020 at 1:50pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Yes, and even self-misunderstood godlike beings. 

Not... very godlike, eh?


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John Byrne

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Posted: 08 November 2020 at 11:22am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Maybe Galactus wasn't godlike enough...?

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I’d not thought of this before, but if Shooter had not insisted on forcing his Beyonder Mary Sue down our throats, SECRET WARS could have told effectively the same story, but with Galactus.

Consider: having been turned away from Earth several times, Galactus wants to understand what is in the intrinsic nature of human beings that allows us to do this. The story could then have followed the same formula as SW, and eliminated the negative impact of pulling Galactus into the story to meet the demands of a toy line.

(At the time, I asked Shooter how and why Galactus would even be there if the Beyonder’s intent was to study and understand humanity. All I got was double-talk.)

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Brian Miller
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Posted: 08 November 2020 at 11:50am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

I don't even remember there being a Galactus toy.
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John Byrne

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Posted: 08 November 2020 at 12:44pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Ultimately, I don’t think there was. Double whammy.
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Andrew Bitner
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Posted: 09 November 2020 at 11:38am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Having Galactus be the mover behind SECRET WARS would have been brilliant.

I like this so much better than what we got...


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Andrew Bitner
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Posted: 09 November 2020 at 11:42am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

Unfortunately, Galactus has too often been relegated to being what a Mary Sue beats up.

In SECRET WARS II, for instance, he was Franklin's version of "Frankenstein Jr.," nearly mindless and at Franklin's beck and call.

In ULTIMATES, he's been changed into a Lifebringer... but still got his butt kicked a few times by higher-level celestial types.

And in MARVEL ZOMBIES: RESURRECTION, his undead body is literally home to countless zombified aliens before it crashes down on Earth. (This AFTER Galactus was eaten by super-zombies in the original MARVEL ZOMBIES mini.)

After a while, Galactus just becomes a big purple punching bag.
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Wallace Sellars
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Posted: 12 November 2020 at 6:14am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

I believe Galactus was also bested by Lunella Lafayette.
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John Byrne

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Posted: 12 November 2020 at 7:42am | IP Logged | 10 post reply

It's reminiscent of my time on WONDER WOMAN, when I found half the writers at DC wanted their character to f*ck her.
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Andrew Bitner
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Posted: 12 November 2020 at 7:49am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

And that is just so damn sad. I hope you didn't have to hear the same cr*p from writers who wanted She-Hulk in their book for the same reason.
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