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John Byrne
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Stumbled upon an old review of TRUE BRIT which, quite rightly, found fault with the writing (not by Cleese), but was okay with the art. Tho in the art “review” the writer referred to me as a “former legend”.Time to buy a dictionary! Legend is one of those words that gets grossly misused online, but when referring to me in the context of comics it’s pretty much accurate. A legend is, after all, a story that’s mostly not true, but people believe it anyway. Present!
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Steve Jamrozik
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Thought this was about the Dark Horse imprint, Legend, which you formerly belonged.
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John Byrne
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Why do people feel the need to report incorrect guesses? T’is a puzzlement!
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Gustavo C Cruz
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So.. to be a "former legend" means that one has become a "present reality"? The writer is clueless...of his language...
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John Byrne
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I think it’s like how Hefner used to insist his centerfold models should not be called FORMER Playmates. The title is a lifetime, um, achievement.
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Michael Penn
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Hmm.
"...an extremely famous or notorious person, especially in a particular field."
Legend, yes -- but based on this definition not former!
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Brad Hague
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I am trying to ponder the identify of someone who was once a Legend but no longer is.
I cannot think of one.
Isn't part of the definition of a Legend is one who lives on in the conscious mind of that society?
Could anyone imagine telling Stan Lee to his face that he was a "former" legend?
It seems that the adjective "former" is incongruent with the object "legend."
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Former legends? How about Mel Gibson? Michael Jackson? Bill Cosby? I think when the dirty laundry gets in the air, a lot of legends find that they have become formers.
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John Byrne
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You’re still talking about them.
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Rodrigo castellanos
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It's a tricky word but I agree with the general definition that the "Legend Title" doesn't expire.
Former legends? How about Mel Gibson? Michael Jackson? Bill Cosby? I think when the dirty laundry gets in the air, a lot of legends find that they have become formers.
Don't think Gibson ever deserved "legend" status in his field. Cosby and Jackson on the other hand did and, IMHO, do.
You could say "Comedy legend Bill Cosby was found guilty of rape and abuse" or "Pop legend Michael Jackson abused minors" and I don't think anyone would correct you with a "tsk, tsk, not legends anymore".
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Matt Hawes
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Legends may become infamous instead of famous, but they still remain legendary in some aspects. Lots of rotten people were/are legends in their field.
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Peter Martin
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Farmer Giles was a legend in his field.
I think you're focussing on too narrow a definition of the word legend. Language being as it is, the meaning of words is not immutable.
For example, consider Google's logo for android. We know the original meaning of android is nothing to do with dustbin-shaped robots, but we understand what is going on, as the usage of the word has shifted with time, whether we like it or not.
Similarly here, the word has clearly gained over time another meaning: namely, it is often used synonymously with such words as superstar or luminary. I would venture that is the usage here. The critic is being snotty, but I don't consider it a crime against language.
Edited by Peter Martin on 30 September 2020 at 3:24pm
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