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Richard Stevens
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Posted: 30 November 2020 at 9:41am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

that page is cool as hell. two of the best, mashed up perfectly.
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Vinny Valenti
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Posted: 30 November 2020 at 10:34am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

I was musing on the previous Byrnonson combos, and while he stayed completely faithful on this Lilandra-Phoenix page, he brought his own line on the others, particularly on X-FACTOR ANNUAL#4 (I don't remember - was that job breakdowns or full pencils?).

I generally don't like when other inkers bring in their own style to the point that it reduces your own, but perhaps hypocritically I do like it when those inkers happen to be artists whose styles I really like to begin with. Walt was one such example. Kyle Baker was another.

Re: a Simonsyrne combo (ok, I'll stop) , that's a fair question. He's a tough one to do justice. I felt that Bob Wiacek was the only inker outside of himself to pull it off. Doesn't mean that I wouldn't like to see Byrne-style inks over him, though!
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Andrew Bitner
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Posted: 30 November 2020 at 10:46am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

JB: Inking Walt's work would present a couple of key questions before I could even start. Should I try to ink like Walt? Or should I just go ahead and ink like me?

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Ink it like you. I don't doubt you could do solid "Walt Simonson inks" but a piece of art that brings you together (IMHO) is better when it reflects both of you.

Just my $.02.
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Brian Miller
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Posted: 30 November 2020 at 12:33pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Inking Walt's work would present a couple of key questions before I
could even start. Should I try to ink like Walt? Or should I just go ahead
and ink like me?

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To quote: yes.
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Peter Martin
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Posted: 30 November 2020 at 12:53pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

I'd say there's little point in you trying to ink like Walt. I think Andrew's comment about reflecting both at once is on the money -- I think you want the inker to bring a certain stylistic polish ( of course with due concern to the substance of the pencils).
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Jason K Fulton
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Posted: 30 November 2020 at 1:52pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

On the other hand, it's neat to see JB's art in different styles (I'm thinking of that BATMAN ADVENTURES annual as an example).
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Vinny Valenti
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Posted: 01 December 2020 at 8:46am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Well, there IS this (note the signature, too):


The man is a chameleon!
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John Byrne

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Posted: 01 December 2020 at 9:36am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

That wasn’t really an attempt to draw like Walt. The signature was a joke on his having done the previous covers.
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Vinny Valenti
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Posted: 01 December 2020 at 9:56am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Huh! Egg on my face, then. I thought that the background characters on the left were pretty Simonson-eque, plus I was thinking about the way he likes to incorporate circles into his work with your rings of fire. When I first saw the cover from a distance, I really thought that it was Walt!
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John Byrne

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Posted: 01 December 2020 at 10:04am | IP Logged | 10 post reply

Annoying thing about that cover, and the issue behind it, was that in his first appearance Mister Miracle's costume colors were different, and I asked that that color scheme be used in this flashback.

"Sure!" was the response from editorial.

Then. . . .

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Gustavo C Cruz
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Posted: 01 December 2020 at 10:14am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

That cover would have made Jack Kirby smile!  It is just Mister Miracle at his best...and I for myself like it a lot! (Along with the colors, something that I can not say about many comics of that time).

("Mister Miracle's costume colors were different"... oh, now that  is 
something that ruins my appreciation of the colors....).


Edited by Gustavo C Cruz on 01 December 2020 at 10:18am
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Peter Martin
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Posted: 01 December 2020 at 12:58pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

For some reason I had 1st December in my head as the date that Elsewhen would be returning. Only now realising it's the 7th.

Edited by Peter Martin on 01 December 2020 at 12:59pm
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