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Walt Hall
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Posted: 17 October 2020 at 7:51am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

If the New Gods were universal archetypes of personifications was Big Bear the god of strength?
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John Byrne

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Posted: 17 October 2020 at 9:26am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

I can't say that I ever thought of the New Gods as being quantified in quite that way.
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Adam Schulman
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Posted: 17 October 2020 at 11:23am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

They've been described that way since. Example: Darkseid isn't merely a god of evil -- Darkseid is Evil, given a face and body. 
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Walt Hall
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Posted: 18 October 2020 at 8:31am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

This is true. I think we saw this both in Simonson's Orion and the Grant Morrison's handling of the New Gods. But when I think back to the original Kirby stuff, Orion seems to definitely embody the warrior element. His arc seems to be about tie his heritage to marshaling his rage and monstrosity to be the warrior that New Genesis needs. At heart, almost a nature vs nurture struggle. He is war and chaos but fated to defend the peace and tranquility of New Genesis and the battle of having free will.

Big Bear in the Forever People is doing these amazing feats of strength with quirky dialog reinforcing the fact of his strength. Definitely portraying the Big Friendly Giant type. While not some of the incredible feats we have seen in Superman or even later for Orion in the Simonson run or elsewhere. But when I think of Kirby's writing, style wise he never seemed in search of story to support individual feats.
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