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Wallace Sellars
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Posted: 23 October 2020 at 6:20am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

I was recently thinking about JB’s NAMOR run, specifically the time Sub-Mariner took on Super-Skrull. It’s not a matchup I had previously considered, but afterwards seemed obvious. Who better to take on the Super-Skull than someone with plenty of experience battling the Fantastic Four! The fight itself was pretty short, but still enjoyable, and it certainly whet my appetite for more.

Can you think of any other memorable tussles between foes not known for tangling with one another? How about fights that never happened (or were cut short) you’d still like to see?

*Please limit yourself to one or two examples in order to avoid laundry lists. Oh, and let’s also steer clear of “I was going to pick A and B or C and D, but am going with E and F, though G and H or I and J would be my runners up right behind K and L…”

Edited by Wallace Sellars on 23 October 2020 at 6:23am
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James Johnson
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Posted: 23 October 2020 at 6:30am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Hawkeye  vs. Deathbird from AVENGERS #189.

It was short, unexpected, and before she was revealed to be from the Shi'ar empire. 

Plus our host did the artwork.

What more could I want?
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John Byrne

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Posted: 23 October 2020 at 6:35am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Her NOT to have been revealed to be from the Shi’ar empire...?
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Bill Mimbu
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Posted: 23 October 2020 at 6:52am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

JB's Superman vs. the Joker was fun.

"Oh Superman... WHY NOT?"
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John Byrne

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JB's Superman vs. the Joker was fun.

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That was a story I "pitched" long before I took on the SUPERMAN assignment. I was having lunch with a couple of Superman's regular writers, and I mentioned I had this Joker idea.

ME: It opens with Superman walking down the street. . .

THEY: Superman ALWAYS FLIES on the splash page!

End of discussion.

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Wallace Sellars
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Posted: 23 October 2020 at 7:05am | IP Logged | 6 post reply


 QUOTE:
Superman ALWAYS FLIES on the splash page!


This is somewhat akin to the misconception that the Joker ALWAYS SMILES.
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John Byrne

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Posted: 23 October 2020 at 7:10am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

This is somewhat akin to the misconception that the Joker ALWAYS SMILES.

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Which is something Dick Giordano told me. I pointed out that in his very first "on camera" appearance, the Joker was not smiling.

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Doug Centers
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Posted: 23 October 2020 at 7:57am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

Dr. Doom had a back and forth  battle with the Red Skull on the moon, in a Super-Villain Team-Up story.
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Wallace Sellars
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Posted: 23 October 2020 at 8:54am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Doug, I'm glad you shared an example with two villains. What about that conflict it makes it especially memorable for you?
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Doug Centers
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Wallace, the clash of "ultra egos"!
You wouldn't think either would lower themselves to hand to hand combat so that was a surprise, and then the momentum shifts that lasted several pages. Good ol' comic book fun!
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Wallace Sellars
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I'll have to hunt for that, Doug. Thanks!
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Eric Sofer
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A lot of "foes not known for fighting each other" has turned into canon, somewhat. For example; At the time of its printing, Daredevil fought the Kingpin - a KNOWN Spider-Man foe! I'm sure there were more than a few slide-slips like that.

In Mr. Byrne's second Fantastic Four issue, the Human Torch battled Hammerhead.

In the FF following the return from the Secret Wars, Reed Richards battled Dr. Octopus. And we damned near got to see Doc Ock against the Hulk, and I'd have paid good money to read THAT one!

I think it was FF #250 when we almost got treated to Captain America vs Gladiator. Another that would have been worth a few bucks!

Tangentially, I guess Chris Claremont couldn't wait to pit Dr. Doom against the X-Men, despite his having no real reason to take on the mutants. (Then again, it's comics...)

Superman vs the Joker - I don't remember seeing it before Mr. Byrne's Superman story. That must have been quite a challenge how to keep that issue more than one panel.
Joker: "Well, well, if it isn't good old Superpoop! I think I'll-"
Superman: "Ah-CHOOO!"
Inspector Turpin: "Thanks for the hand, Supes. So what's up with you next? Wanna get lunch?"

Captain America faced an old/new combo of Batroc Ze Lepair with Mr. Hyde. That was great fun!

Times like this, I miss our old buddy Robbie Perry. He'd have eaten this up with mustard for lunch.


Edited by Eric Sofer on 23 October 2020 at 10:08am
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