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John Byrne

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Posted: 05 November 2020 at 11:24am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

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Reasonable case or PC gone mad?

Is Nightcrawler next?

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James Woodcock
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Posted: 05 November 2020 at 11:50am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

I am worried that any depiction of a villain will be met with similar cries
going forward.

The Care Bares was not good viewing
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Scott Adsit
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I don't think Nightcrawler is next because, in spite of what the antagonists in X-Men think, Kurt's hands are not considered a deformity. Nor are his hands authentication of evil, as they are in The Witches.
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John Byrne

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Posted: 05 November 2020 at 4:36pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

The witches’ hands aren’t deformed either. It’s their natural form.
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Scott Adsit
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Posted: 05 November 2020 at 4:55pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

True, but it is treated by the storytellers as Other. The hands are unmasked and revealed to be hideous common traits of wicked monsters.
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John Byrne

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Posted: 05 November 2020 at 5:35pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

True—but where do we draw a line? Fantasy is full of characters who, by human standards, are “deformed”, but who are perfectly normal in their own context.

Shall we eradicate fairy tales?

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Peter Martin
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Posted: 05 November 2020 at 6:40pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Political correctness comes from a good place -- an attempt to understand that certain things we might take for granted make parts of society feel excluded. So we should try and bear that in mind and keep an open mind.

That said, do I think they were trying to portray the Ectrodactyly condition? No. Do I think someone who had that condition might feel bad watching the film? I think it's possible.

I don't think the storytellers should be censored/constrained from telling the story, but an inclusive way might have been a line saying, this is something common to all witches, but not everyone with a hand like that is a witch. Something along those lines would help, I'd think. 
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Joe Zhang
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Posted: 05 November 2020 at 9:33pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

I had a coworker I got to know well, who was born with a deformity of the hands. He was very sensitive about it, and a movie depiction like this would tick him off. 

On the other hand, is the intended audience so stupid, so morally directionless as to associate a handicap or disfigurement with evil, just because of a movie? Maybe. I feel more and more out of touch with the world these days. 
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Marc Baptiste
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Posted: 08 November 2020 at 5:15pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

JB,

I vote "PC gone mad" - the witches' deformities are likely a magical deformity/manifestation of their evil nature - not the extremely rare genetic condition known in the REAL WORLD as ectrodactylsm (sic).  

In any event, I have never been a fan of the PC cancel culture.  Should social and cultural sensitivities be factored into modern fiction?  Sure, but as a proportionally appropriate slice of the overall pie, NOT as the overriding be all and end all.

Marc


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Craig Earl
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I remember seeing a documentary about Stan Lee where he recalled being concerned about the debut of Daredevil, worried that he might be accused of trivialising blindness.

As it turned out, charities for the blind came out in support of Marvel for promoting a noble sightless character.

Is that just because Daredevil is a hero rather than a villain? Maybe Doctor Doom or Darth Vader or Freddy Krueger would be seen as an insult to anyone with a facial deformity nowadays.

PC gone mad for The Witches?

Absolutely. 

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John Byrne

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I recall Douglas Trumbull catching flak for “exploiting” legless amputees to play the robots in SILENT RUNNING. The response of the actors: it’s a paycheck!
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Tim O Neill
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Posted: 11 November 2020 at 12:23pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply


I don't think this could have been handled better than the way its played out -
a group that has little public awareness speaks up, and a studio acknowledges
that it was not intentional. The group gets seen and acknowledged, and they
benefit from the public announcement. Maybe this could help studios avoid
this in the future. Anne Hathaway goes a step further an apologizes
personally.

Nobody lost their job, the movie is still available - how on earth is this PC gone
mad? Is an apology some sort of weakness? I think it's a strength.

How should this have been addressed?


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