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John Byrne
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Now that we have a new administration, can we toss the term, "Fake News" in the trash, please?••• If I had to give Trump one point, it would be his effective coining of the term “fake news”. Anything outside his bubble of dementia is dismissed. Brilliant. (Too brilliant, as it turns out.)
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Michael Roberts
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What we should be talking about is a free press, which we do not have anymore. We have corporate press, where the corporations in charge decide what is and is not news. If it hurts the corporation or it's friends, it will not get proper coverage. And if the corporation has particular leanings, the news will have that too, which is the case with every network.
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This is nothing new, of course. It remains a point of irony that the prize for excellence of journalism is named after one of the two men responsible for the rise of yellow journalism in the late 19th century. Moving away from modern sensational journalism would require a cultural shift in media consumers that I don’t foresee happening.
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Michael Roberts
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| Posted: 21 January 2021 at 11:21am | IP Logged | 3
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If I had to give Trump one point, it would be his effective coining of the term “fake news”. Anything outside his bubble of dementia is dismissed. Brilliant.
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He certainly popularized the term, but like with most things in the Trump administration, it’s just something he co-opted. In fact, he first started using the term two days after Hillary Clinton gave this speech:
And it’s been around for longer.
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Rebecca Jansen
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| Posted: 21 January 2021 at 4:16pm | IP Logged | 4
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Hearst newspapers pretty much created the Spanish-American war well over a hundred years ago. You'd think this far down the line we'd be so much further along. At least one of the British crap tabloids, News Of The World, finally got brought down for all it's horrible practices. One down a few dozen to go?
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Tim O Neill
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JB: "A friend once declared his disgust for Fox News, saying he listened only
to NPR.
I suggested he listen to BOTH, so he might land in the middle somewhere!"
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I don't think NPR is a good example of a far left media source - their news is
maddeningly objective and even-handed. I wish they were harder left, but I
like that they do this because it has helped me to see the perspective of one of
my brothers, who is a Republican. NPR reports responsibly and regularly has
conservative guests on. I know because it drives me crazy when they are
interviewed.
It's important to note that NPR and PBS Newshour retain their credibility in an
era when there are cable/online news outlets for entrenched views, and even
the major networks don't have a firewall from their corporate leadership. PBS's
Yamiche Aklcindor was cruelly attacked by Trump in his news conferences on a
regular basis, and she never took the bait and didn't react in her reporting.
MSNBC would probably be more apt for the left, but ANY comparison to Fox
News is essentially faulty - the conservative talking points were warping reality
long before the post-election lies. We've crossed the rubicon into major
networks endorsing outright, easy to disprove lies to undermine our
constitutional rights. It's unprecedented. And it is compounded with Fox
staging a constant war stance against Democrats for years. I don't even know
what Republicans stand for anymore - Trump decimated their core beliefs, and
now they traffic in lies, voter suppression, and Christian fundamentalist social
issues.
So considering Fox as a legitimate news source compared to MSNBC would
lead one to believe "both sides are crazy" because they are so far apart - or as
James said upthread, "two parallel dimensions operating in the USA." And
THIS is the essence of how destructive a misinformation campaign can be.
This is what Russia wants when they try to goose our elections - confusion as
to what is really the truth.
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Brian Floyd
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| Posted: 21 January 2021 at 10:43pm | IP Logged | 6
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"Fake News" = Anything Trump or one of his nutcase supporters says.
I'm all for getting rid of "Alternative Facts", however.
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Neil Lindholm
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| Posted: 21 January 2021 at 11:49pm | IP Logged | 7
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I imagine many have seen this chart...
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Rebecca Jansen
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| Posted: 22 January 2021 at 12:04am | IP Logged | 8
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That chart looks about right to me, although there are maybe a quarter of the names/logos I don't know on it. Don't think I know any at the bottom left below New Republic though some are a bit small to read.
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Neil Lindholm
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I had to shrink it down to fit on the forum unfortunately. This chart and others similar are easy to find online.
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Shawn Kane
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| Posted: 22 January 2021 at 5:25am | IP Logged | 10
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Matt Taibbi's excellent book, Hate Inc., is about how the news media pits right and left against one another. Want to hate that snowflake on the Left? Watch Fox News all day. Want to hate that racist Nazi on the Right? Watch MSNBC all day. I lean to the right and used to only watch Fox until I came to my senses. I refuse to hate someone based on their political views and I enjoy having conversations with people I may not see eye -to-eye with. Cable news is closer to the National Enquirer than real news. I was just telling one of my right wing buddies who feels Fox News sold out that if you watch the news to reinforce your views, then you don't want to be informed.
I watch my local news out of Hagerstown, MD, and a mixture of sites on YouTube (The Hill, The Jimmy Dore Show, Secular Talk with Kyle Kulinski) who call out the hypocrisy in news media on both sides. Even local Washington DC news has started to change with a couple of stations pushing their anchors personalities instead of their abilities to report.
Edited by Shawn Kane on 22 January 2021 at 5:26am
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James Woodcock
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| Posted: 22 January 2021 at 6:29am | IP Logged | 11
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At least one of the British crap tabloids, News Of The
World, finally got brought down for all it's horrible
practices. One down a few dozen to go?
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Not really Rebecca.
The News of the World was pretty much just The Sun on
Sunday. Yes it had a different staff, but it was the
representation of that papers philosophy for Sunday.
When it closed, guess what happened?
The Sun on Sunday became a real paper.
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Rebecca Jansen
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| Posted: 22 January 2021 at 1:31pm | IP Logged | 12
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Yet if I shake my fist at The Sun I'll be too much like the grandpa in The Simpsons shaking his fist at the clouds. Curses! :^(
I guess about as far left as I go is sometimes reading parts of Mother Jones at the library, and as far right as The Standard paper on-line sometimes. The Sun and it's photoshopping I'd put down near the Enquirer (or maybe with the Dandy), but I have been 'corrupted' with some of the 'free' DVDs that came with that paper. Oops.
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