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Bill Dowling
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Posted: 02 February 2021 at 4:18pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

I think you have it right, Wallace.

It gets a little tricky when power sets are unclear, though.

Is Rachel Summers a mutant? Does she just have her mother's powers? Or is the ability to send Kate Pryde back into the body of Kitty Pryde a separate power? If so, then she's a mutant for having that extra power. If not, she's not a mutant (unless she has some other extra power I don't know about).


It kind of reminds me of the old joke about the Legion of Super Heroes. You were only allowed to join the Legion of Super Heroes if you had a power no one else in the LSH had (so Mon-El gets in because he's invulnerable to Kryptonite and Ultra Boy gets in because he can see through lead... never mind that either one could punch a planet in half). The old joke that used to go around was that Supergirl got in the Legion because she had the power to bear live Kryptonian young. (since every actual superpower she had was a copy of one of Superboy's powers).
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Scott Wagahoff
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Posted: 02 February 2021 at 4:53pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Apologies as no offense was meant Wallace. Perhaps I misunderstood your post. By murky I meant that it seems like it should be simply known to readers. That you shouldn’t have to ask those questions. How it was first presented is the way it is. Writers retconning things tends to cause confusion and I thought that’s what you were getting at.
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Ryan Maxwell
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Posted: 02 February 2021 at 5:00pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

If their son had the same telekinetic and telepathic abilities as his mother, he would not be a mutant.

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What if the son were only a telepath with no telekinetic power? Does that make a difference? 
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Peter Martin
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Posted: 02 February 2021 at 5:02pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

I think point 4 is up for debate, Wallace. The child is displaying powers that are not identical to either mother or father. If the son then goes on to have normal children himself, this would render his power set as unique. I'd say that's a mutant.

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Brian Miller
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Posted: 02 February 2021 at 6:18pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Just go back to what Stan said. A mutant is someone born with that “x-
something-or-other” that set them apart from normal humanity. By that
definition, all cases in your example would be mutants because they
would all have that “X” that normal humanity does not possess.
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Wallace Sellars
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Posted: 02 February 2021 at 6:22pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

No, Peter. The son would not be a mutant if he displayed the powers possessed by his parents, but no additional special abilities.
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Wallace Sellars
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Posted: 02 February 2021 at 6:28pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply


 QUOTE:
By that definition, all cases in your example would be mutants because they would all have that “X” that normal humanity does not possess.


Was this in response to my post from the previous page, Brian?
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Peter Martin
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Posted: 02 February 2021 at 7:09pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

Wallace, you seemed to couch your language originally in terms of not being entirely sure, but then repudiate any debate as if you are very sure without any discussion of why. Just 'no' and then a restating of your conclusion. I would be interested to hear your line of reasoning.

Presumably you are contending the son in this case would be a new species or a hybrid rather than a mutant. But a species of one? In the specific case I gave, the son breeds to produce normal offspring. This rules out Scott & Jean's son as a hybrid, which would be sterile (or highly predisposed to sterility), and is not suggestive of a new species as they are not breeding more like themselves.

Separately, I'd also be interested on your view of whether Siryn is a mutant.
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Brian Miller
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Posted: 02 February 2021 at 9:04pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Yes Wallace. Sorry.
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Brian Miller
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Posted: 02 February 2021 at 9:07pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

Why would the offspring of two mutants not, in turn, be a mutant?

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Philippe Pinoli
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Posted: 03 February 2021 at 1:02am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

I suspect a thread drift and invite you to
join the main forum ;)
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Dean Munday
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Posted: 03 February 2021 at 7:12am | IP Logged | 12 post reply

Back on subject, re: today's page: "Ouchie!"

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