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Steven Queen
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Posted: 13 September 2021 at 12:01pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Ha! Well said.
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Andrew Bitner
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Posted: 13 September 2021 at 1:34pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

So true. It was "soap opera WITH action" not "soap opera THEN action."
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John Northey
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Posted: 13 September 2021 at 3:17pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

I think any new writer/artist in comics should be handed early Marvel Masterworks of Spider-Man and Fantastic Four and told 'this is how it is done'.  I had the digests reprinting the first 6 issues of each and the amount of story in each was amazing.  I read those over and over again.  How they survived to this day is beyond me.  Each issue, if done today, would be a full tpb if not more - just look at any revival of character they do today and you see it.  One villain for the first 6 issues (at least) with minimal additions beyond the first issue.  Look at FF - Mole Man, Skrulls, Mister Miracle (OK, not all were great, but the flying bathtub was introduced and costumes that issue too), Sub-Mariner, Dr. Doom, and then a Sub/Doom team-up.  Talk about a killer start.  Every issue is a must-have (and beyond most of our budgets now).

I love the idea of skipping anything possible that doesn't push the story forward.  IE: no 6 panels of driving, merging battle with thought balloons (I have to deal with homework after I beat Doc Ock, and get the meds for Aunt May, and I'm late for my date, ouch that metal arm hurt - am I the only one who hears the voice from the '67 series for Peter when I picture him talking?).

My rambling comments show why I could never write comics - every issue would be a 100 page mess.
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Jim Petersman
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Posted: 13 September 2021 at 6:17pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

L.Hunt: "... Mac protecting Heather..."
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And here's what I hadn't considered -- Heather is still the happily married Heather acting just as the happily married Heather would act. 

I find myself missing the Heather that led the team.



Kill him again, JB.


(If I don't ever post again, it was Ryan)
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Bill Dowling
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Posted: 13 September 2021 at 6:59pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Huh. I was just thinking earlier that it would make sense for Xavier to archive Wolverine’s memories, knowing that he had had amnesia earlier, if he was smart enough to suspect that amnesia might be a chronic issue for someone with a healing factor that clearly doesn’t heal amnesia. 

But then I thought that that was more rpg-like thinking and not something I’d expect Professor X to do in a comic. 

But it does make a lot of sense for Alpha Flight (since they’re a government organization). But it never occurred to me that Shaman could obviously do the backups and restores of memories. 
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Ryan Maxwell
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Posted: 13 September 2021 at 7:38pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

That Jim guy had the nerve to say…

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I’ve never wanted to be a moderator here more than right now. 


Edited by Ryan Maxwell on 13 September 2021 at 7:40pm
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Cory Vandernet
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Posted: 13 September 2021 at 9:10pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Awesome page 7. Using Shaman to restore Logan's memory is inspired.

A Shaman is not only a holy man and a healer, but also the keeper of his tribe's oral histories and mythologies. I've read tales of heroism are sometimes celebrated by poem and song. 

I'm thinking Michael Twoyoungmen archiving his team-mates histories in his medicine bag is an indication of how much respect he has for the members of Alpha Flight. 

Maybe their histories become songs sung on a cold winter's night around a roaring campfire. 

How would it affect a man to hear the song of his own life?

Great, great page.


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Mal Gardiner
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Posted: 14 September 2021 at 12:58am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

On the brevity vs decompression subject, my favourite lesson is always the one JB taught us about how the exact same story can be told in two Batman pages as in one panel. It was a revelation.

On the current storyline, man this is fun. Going to be a journey seeing just what data Doctor Twoyoungmen restores to Logan’s hard drive…
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Richard Stevens
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Posted: 14 September 2021 at 5:58am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Great catch, Mac! And Shaman! That's one hell of a page. We go from huge action to horror on the other side of the door in a few panels.
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Andrew Bitner
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Posted: 14 September 2021 at 6:03am | IP Logged | 10 post reply

I'd like to point out something JB does *really* well but doesn't attract as much attention as his writing and art.
Note how the balloon placement guides the reader from panel to panel. Good placement makes a big (but often subtle) difference in the reading experience, and bad placement can wreck a page. Mac's balloon reply to Shaman is a great example of how to do this right.
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Andrew Bitner
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Posted: 14 September 2021 at 6:03am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

And there are MANY other examples throughout ELSEWHEN.
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Darren Ashmore
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Posted: 14 September 2021 at 6:04am | IP Logged | 12 post reply

I'm actually breathless with anticipation over tomorrow's
page, what a cliffhanger.
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