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Michael Penn
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Posted: 14 June 2024 at 2:09pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Biden comes off as such a zombie at times that it's too easy to be distracted from how much Trump has lost a step -- or fifty.
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John Byrne

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Posted: 14 June 2024 at 2:11pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Found a humorous church sign:

THIS TOO SHALL PASS

IT MAY PASS LIKE A KIDNEY STONE BUT ITS GONNA PASS

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Peter Martin
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Posted: 14 June 2024 at 8:06pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Found this quite interesting: LINK to CNBC article.

Backs up Michael Penn's point above about how Trump has lost a step (or fifty). He's long been a bit stream-of-consciousness, but it sounds like it's shifted gear.
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Casey Sager
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Posted: 15 June 2024 at 10:25pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Trumps greatest ability among his followers ( cultists ) is to repeat the same ridiculous things over and over until his followers start repeating them and not even realizing they're the victim of a relentless ad campaign similar to Coke or McDonalds.They're inundated with nonsense like "most secure border in the history of the world", "best economy in the history of the world" etc.

  If you try to refute any of this factually with statistics, it does not matter, they are cultists and those stats were made up by the "deep state" to make Trump look bad.

In my lifetime Reagan was probably the most polular US President and I don't recall Republicans worshipping him at the altar. It's silly and scary at the same time.
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Rebecca Jansen
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Posted: 15 June 2024 at 11:24pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Jonesville had the best bananas (and sugar drink) anyone ever tasted, mm-mmm! What they actually subsisted on was rice, every day, bought with a tiny fraction of all the wealth they'd handed over... and as for the vaunted equality he preached, the blacks did all the heavy labor and the hierarchy under Jones was all young white gals. Same old con really, just with Trumpville they'll be his daughters/daughters-in-law.

If a Trump building has 60 floors he will claim 80, if he has access to two billion maybe, he will claim ten. Everyone he's wronged he suddenly forgets ever knowing no matter how much proof of him knowing them there is, so I doubt he ever knew the black people he smiles with in a few photos. He distributed/tweeted b.s. stats of how they're behind violence more than others before he ever even ran! What motivation can there be to that which would make anybody smile?

I hope those CEOs know what the health care workers who tried to save him said about business head Herman Cain and what he got from a proudly maskless Trump rally in 2020 just before he died. That many of the Republican controlled states are actively and specifically trying to redistrict black voters, and make it as arduous as possible for them to vote, makes them the people most responsible for keeping the U.S. from sliding totally down the poop chute by now! The vast majority of people have a lot more in common with black Americans than with the kind of televangelist-used car salesmen and Chinese factory owning folks the Republican party and many churches seem to naturally select as leaders.

Is there really no way to hold judges like Alito and Cannon to account at all? Can anyone theoretically be made a judge or are there some qualifications required (even if there are none for Presidents who nominate them)? Over two hundred years and nobody thought to put such things in writing? I'm hearing how "traditionally" certain practices were simply honored, assuming only people with a sense of honor would gain power, but after at least Andrew Johnson... oh wait, the clean up after him is still going on. Practically undid the entire civil war of the 1860s, pushing the black population back down, all those Americans dying for little beyond a shift from outright slavery to share-cropping. Makes one quietly proud?

I sure hope Mr. Trump goes the way of Rev. Jones, and the sooner the better... in terms of declaring himself God and the ultimate authority while mocking and threatening his followers outright, the more tv channels then the better!


Edited by Rebecca Jansen on 15 June 2024 at 11:29pm
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Brian Floyd
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Posted: 15 June 2024 at 11:51pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Besides Alito and Cannon, don't forget Thomas! He's been taking `gifts', aka bribes, for years.

Herman Cain was an idiot and an asshole - aka a typical Republican politician. His 9,9,9 tax idea was stupid, because 9% to the rich is nothing, but its a problem for the other classes. And he once said something to effect of it being everyone's own fault if they aren't rich.

Let me remind everyone that when Rick Perry ran for President, he actually called Social Security an entitlement program. That pretty much sums up the GOP's feelings toward the non-wealthy.




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Charles Valderrama
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Posted: 02 July 2024 at 6:47pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Alvin Bragg has asked for a brief delay in sentencing so that Judge Merchan can rule that the SCOTUS decision has nothing to do with the case. 

The media will likely spin this as the convicted criminal having secured a delay.

Whatever.

-C!
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Dave Kopperman
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Posted: 02 July 2024 at 7:56pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

I put the blame squarely on Alito and Thomas.  If it weren't Cannon, it would have been someone else at that level - Trump has always used the courts as part of his 'process', much in the same way that the Beatles used the recording studio. 

Alito and Thomas have turned out to be the most impactful power players in America in close to a century. America will literally never be the same after their corrosive tenures.
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John Byrne

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Posted: 03 July 2024 at 2:06pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

…because 9% to the rich is nothing…

•••

I take it you are one of those who think taxes should be punitive?

9% may not seem like much to a billionaire, but it’s still a lot of money.

For years I have thought the most fair and equitable solution would be to shut down the IRS and impose a national sales tax. Literally pay as you go. And the more you spend, the more you pay.

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Casey Sager
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Posted: 03 July 2024 at 2:40pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

There is a healthy percentage of the US that pays little to no Federal income tax at the end of the year because they don't earn enough.

From just a cursory look on google, a national sales tax would have to be minimum 12% and more likely approaching 20%+

For people living check to check a national sales tax would pretty much leave them in the same place or potentially worse.
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Dave Kopperman
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Posted: 03 July 2024 at 10:09pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

The ultra-wealthy would also find ways to avoid paying sales tax - buying goods out of country, 3rd party purchases, business write-offs, whatever.  Income tax is a drag and it currently falls with the heaviest burden on the middle class, but it historically built the 'great' America of the 20th century that Trump paradoxically wants to return to (without the tax, so I'm not sure how that works).
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John Wickett
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Posted: 04 July 2024 at 7:53am | IP Logged | 12 post reply

The ultra-wealthy don't derive most of their money from earned income.  Other income sources, such as capital gains, are taxed at a different rate.  That is why many argue the rich are taxed at a lower rate than other Americans.

"Income tax is a drag and it currently falls with the heaviest burden on the middle class"

That's a very vague statement.  Do you mean the middle class pays a larger percentage of their income than other groups pay, or that they pay a bigger percentage of overall tax revenues?  And how do you define middle class?

In 2021 (the most recent year for which tax statistics are available), the top 50% of tax payers earned at least $46, 637, and paid an average income tax rate of 16.2%, which is $7,555.19.  If that looks high, its because the IRS statistics don't include refundable credits, ie the child tax credit, and many other deductions claimed by most tax payers.

The top 25% of tax payers earned at least $94,440, with an income tax rate of 18.4% (again, before deductions for refundable tax credits).

Tax payers who fall between these two thresholds paid 8.2% of the total revenues raised through income tax.  Tax payers who earned more than $94,440 paid 89.2% of all income tax revenue, as opposed to tax payers who made less than $46,637 who paid 2.3% of all income tax revenue.

The richest 1% of Americans (those who made at least $682,577) paid 25.9% of their income in income taxes, and paid 45.8% of all income tax revenue.


Fair?  I think that's subjective.  Everyone will have their own opinion.  A national sales tax seems like a fair system on its face, but as Casey mentioned, to capture the same amount of revenue, the tax rate would be pretty high.  I think eventually what would happen is the government would seek to even the playing field by making it a progressive sales tax and that, in effect, takes us right back to where we are now.


Edited by John Wickett on 04 July 2024 at 7:55am
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