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Steven Queen
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Posted: 30 June 2022 at 6:38pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

I heard/read once the Gil Kane had trouble adjusting to a format change that shrunk the original art work less.

True or not, it seems like technology kicks us all in the rear end eventually.
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John Byrne

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Posted: 30 June 2022 at 6:59pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

So many modern pencilers depend heavily on the colorists. Take away the color and the pages start to look like coloring books.

Sure, it’s a “collaboration”, but with the colorists doing so much of the work, I sometimes wonder if their names should come first in the credits!

(I don’t really like seeing my pencils overwhelmed with modern coloring. Please! Somebody tell the colorists that nothing is “stronger” than black!)

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ron bailey
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Posted: 30 June 2022 at 7:01pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Hear, hear ...
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I like to be forward thinking and embrace what is new and evolving, but in the technological trade off something has definitely been lost ...
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ron bailey
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Posted: 30 June 2022 at 7:02pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Popular music is in the same boat, by the way, and has been for a long time ...  < id="protanopia"> < id="deuteranopia"> < id="tritanopia">
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Steven Queen
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Posted: 01 July 2022 at 1:21pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

 JB wrote:

So many modern pencilers depend heavily on the colorists. Take away the color and the pages start to look like coloring books.

I've just recently started to notice this too...and once you do, you can't look at the artist's work again in the same light. I was shocked by how little the artist (and inker?) are doing. There are almost no cross-contour lines, no deep shadows.

Seriously! The colorists are taking *major* liberties in establishing form and shape...but often with a very "sloppy brush". Somehow the net effects works...I suppose. But it's rather gross (as in slapdash).

Is this a by-product of the digital age? Or a manga influence?
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Joe Smith
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Posted: 01 July 2022 at 2:04pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Another reason I am so enamored with Bilquis Evely. Pages are so
beautifully rendered. Kaluta and P. Craig Russell vibes.
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Steven Queen
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Posted: 01 July 2022 at 3:15pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

I had never heard of Bilquis Evely before, or seen her work. There are some nice elements reminiscent of Franklin Booth's long thin lines in her work. Very sleek and simple.

Her on-line photo also matches my mental picture of Lois Lane. :)
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Vinny Valenti
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Posted: 01 July 2022 at 4:21pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

"Popular music is in the same boat, by the way, and has been for a long time ... "

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I seriously think that Antares (the company that developed AutoTune) should be sharing credits with singers/rappers , ever since that Cher song that SOUTH PARK beautifully parodied.
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Vinny Valenti
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Posted: 01 July 2022 at 4:23pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

"(I don’t really like seeing my pencils overwhelmed with modern coloring. Please! Somebody tell the colorists that nothing is “stronger” than black!)"

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There was a part of me that liked seeing Adams' X-MEN under modern colors on the '96 TPB. It showed how his work was ahead of its time. But having his Iceman knocked out in blue line was unforgivable.
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ron bailey
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Posted: 01 July 2022 at 4:53pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

"I seriously think that Antares (the company that developed AutoTune) should be sharing credits with singers/rappers ...." < id="protanopia"> < id="deuteranopia"> < id="tritanopia">

HA! Good call, Vinnie! 
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Michael Penn
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Posted: 01 July 2022 at 5:00pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

My younger son, 14 and a budding artist himself, wanted to borrow a Neal Adams volume from the library, but the instant he saw modern coloring, he absolutely refused. He's not a purist as much as exercising good taste!
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John Byrne

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Posted: 01 July 2022 at 5:25pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

One thing that makes me nutz is when the black line is knocked out in color in mirrors and on screens. Makes me wonder if these characters don’t have access to Windex!
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