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John Byrne

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Posted: 10 August 2022 at 4:36pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

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It seems to me that 63% should be called “more” rather than “most”, but…

Perhaps a “have cake and eat it” is the solution? Let the Electoral College chose the President, except in those case where it is clearly contrary to the wishes of the People.

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Conrad Teves
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Posted: 10 August 2022 at 4:49pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

CGP Grey's short video (from more than a decade ago, now!) is still a pretty cogent analysis as to why the Electoral College is a bad thing: 


I think it needs more than a few reforms to make it trustworthy.  For a democratically elected Republic, anyway.
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Owen Glowacki
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Posted: 10 August 2022 at 10:03pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

There is some irony in looking to national polling on opinions of the electoral college. We could probably see that 63% rise quite a bit more and not be any closer to being able to pass an amendment to change it. Those small states would never give it up. 

The agreement between states to have electors vote in accordance with the popular vote could be an intesting way around that if it's constitutional. 
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Brian Floyd
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Posted: 10 August 2022 at 10:39pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

I think they should do one of two things:

1. Get rid of the Electoral College completely. (Goodbye to GOP Presidents!)

2. Keep the EC, but if you win it but not the popular vote, you're possibly a one-term President. Oh, you can run for re-election, but your party is under no obligation to support you or fund your re-election campaign. Good luck getting a second term if/when they pick someone else. With one addition: If you lose the popular vote by a landslide, then you have to wait until after the next election to run again; no chance of back to back terms.


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Jason Czeskleba
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Posted: 11 August 2022 at 12:55am | IP Logged | 5 post reply


 QUOTE:
The agreement between states to have electors vote in accordance with the popular vote could be an intesting way around that if it's constitutional.

Of course the problem is getting enough states to sign off on this compact to put it into effect.  So far, it's all blue states that have approved it.  The big problem is that there is a perception that the Electoral College benefits Republicans (which at least at the moment appears to be true) so of course no red state wants to approve it.  If only 120,000 people had voted for Kerry instead of Bush in Ohio in 2004, that would have resulted in Kerry winning the Electoral College while still losing the popular vote.  If we'd had two consecutive elections in which the popular vote winner lost the election, one from each party, that could have created the impetus to get things changed.  But at this point, the notion that the Electoral College helps red states is baked in too deeply for reform to be possible.


Edited by Jason Czeskleba on 11 August 2022 at 2:33am
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