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Topic: Byrne Imitators

Posted By: Michael Everall
Subject: Byrne Imitators
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 12:02pm

While comic browsing, I happened upon a "Byrne" cover and wondered if I
had read that issue...only to look closer and realize it was some other
artist. In my early years of collecting I also mistakenly bought a few
backissues only to discover later "Aw no! Not this guy again!".

What are your thoughts on this? Is imitation the sincerest form of flattery?
Which artists spring to mind?

My list;
Victor (Vic) Bridges
Ron Frenz (edit: mistake on my part, was thinking of a different artist!)

It's just me, but I used to get really annoyed when I would pick up a Frenz
(edit: again...mea culpa!) cover and notice it wasn't Byrne. On the
opposite end, I found Vic Bridge's imitation as amusing, or even a fan-like
devotion.


Replies:

Posted By: Michael Connell
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 12:05pm

I wish that more artist would strive toward the excellence that is John Byrne, comics could only benefit from it, and lest we forget the supreme one himself once strove to be the next Neal Adams once upon a time. :-)

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Posted By: Joe Hollon
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 12:16pm

I've never noticed a similarity between Byrne's art and Frenz's art.  Can you post some example images that show the similarity you are referring to?

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Posted By: Glenn Greenberg
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 12:21pm

I've followed Ron Frenz's career almost since it began, and NEVER EVER
thought of him as a "John Byrne imitator."

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Posted By: Dennis Calero
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 12:21pm

I would have never ever ever considered Frenz a Byrne imitator and I was a big fan (and still am) of both. 

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Posted By: Bruce Buchanan
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 12:21pm

Me, neither. When he worked on Amazing Spider-Man in the mid-80s, I always saw a lot of Steve Ditko in Frenz' style, although his style has evolved over the years.

(But I wouldn't say Frenz has ever been an "imitator" of anyone - he's always been a good artist and I think he's doing the best work of his career now on Amazing Spider-Girl).




Posted By: Jason Schulman
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 12:23pm

Only really really Byrne-ish penciller from the last, oh, 17 years that i've noticed is Dale Keown. And his "imitation" isn't that slavish. 



Posted By: Charles Valderrama
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 12:23pm

Ron Frenz is more of a Buscema imitator though i find that a positive thing.
i've always enjoyed his work.

-C!

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Posted By: Ted Pugliese
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 12:24pm

Only really really Byrne-ish penciller from the last, oh, 17 years that i've noticed is Dale Keown. And his "imitation" isn't that slavish. 

Beat me to it, but I would add Mike Parobek to this very short list.



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Posted By: Knut Robert Knutsen
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 12:25pm

Ron Frenz never struck me as a "Byrne" imitator. I've seen some Buscema influence in his work - mostly Sal, not John. And a touch of Kirby for the figures.

Some of Kerry Gammill and Tom Grummet's work strikes me as closer to a Byrne influence. Not just rendering, but body language. There was some early work by Dusty Abell (A Superman annual?) that showed a clear Byrne influence, but that may be mostly because it looked like someone had "corrected" parts of the work in house using paste-ups from John Byrne's Superman art.




Posted By: Ted Pugliese
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 12:25pm

Ron Frenz is more of a Buscema imitator though i find that a positive thing.  I've always enjoyed his work.

Agreed.



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Posted By: Glenn Greenberg
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 12:25pm

Funny you should mention that, Charles.

I once offered George Perez the chance to ink Ron Frenz, and he jumped at
it.

"This is the closest I'll ever get to inking John Buscema!" George told me
enthusiastically.

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Posted By: Eric White
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 12:25pm

Frenz art sometimes looked like Ditko, Kirby, Romita and John Buscema but I
don't recall it ever looking like Byrne.

Tom Grummett sometimes looked a little "Byrne like".

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Posted By: Ted Pugliese
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 12:25pm

Joe Rubenstein is Frenz' best inker.

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Posted By: Glenn Greenberg
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 12:26pm

Ted--

Have to disagree with you. I'd say it's Brett Breeding.

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Posted By: Juan Jose Colin Arciniega
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 12:26pm

Ron Frenz...never!

But, during The Incredible Hulk, Paul Peletier used to draw like Mr. Byrne, now he has his own style!



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Posted By: Vinny Valenti
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 12:28pm

The forum's own Anthony Castrillo started out as a Byrne imitator...there's still an influence in his work if you were to look for it (check out his work in the sketchbook thread), but he's definitely veered off in his own direction now.



Posted By: Vinny Valenti
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 12:29pm

Tom Grummett and Kerry Gammil were both very Byrne-influenced, and both majorly under-appreciated as artists.



Posted By: Eric White
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 12:29pm

Paul Peletier, yep, good call!

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Posted By: Ted Pugliese
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 12:30pm

Paul Peletier

Yes, I agree.  There is something byrned there.



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Posted By: JohnByrne4
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 12:31pm

Can't see Frenz, but I have observed that Dale
Keown is Gulacy to my Steranko.

(A fan once asked me to sign a Vic Bridges cover,
and when I said I hadn't done it, asked if I was sure I
hadn't just forgotten?)



Posted By: Ted Pugliese
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 12:32pm

Ted--

Have to disagree with you. I'd say it's Brett Breeding.

Interesting, Glenn, because I feel that way about Breeding (over Rubenstein) and Jurgens.  Six of one, half a dozen of another...

I loved Breeding over Bob Hall, too.



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Posted By: Ted Pugliese
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 12:35pm

I once offered George Perez the chance to ink Ron Frenz, and he jumped at it.

Spider-man/Hobgoblin mini-series right?



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Posted By: Sterling Brown
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 12:36pm

Not a fan of either of these guys but I remember in the early 90s thinking the that spawn guy and Erik Larsen really wanted to be JB.

Oddly enough I enjoyed Larsen's Freak Force during its run and most of it must have been Vic Bridges work.





Posted By: Gil Dowling
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 12:37pm

I would say Dale Keown and Paul Pelletier started out heavily influenced bu JB. Frenz was Buscema all the way though.



Posted By: Charles Valderrama
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 12:39pm

Actually, as mentioned above, Frenz channelled a lot of Ditko during
his SPIDER-MAN run.

-C!

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Posted By: Glenn Greenberg
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 12:42pm

<<I feel that way about Breeding (over Rubenstein) and Jurgens.>>


I prefer Breeding over Jurgens as well.

Nothing against Rubenstein--I thought he was one of Sal Buscema's best
inkers.

But over Frenz and Jurgens, I have to go with Breeding--with Bob McLeod as
a close runner-up.

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Posted By: Glenn Greenberg
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 12:43pm

<<Spider-man/Hobgoblin mini-series right?>>


Yep. To this day, it irks me that George couldn't work on the entire project.

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Posted By: Glenn Greenberg
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 12:44pm

<<Frenz channelled a lot of Ditko during his SPIDER-MAN run.>>


For the early part of his run, absolutely. But in the latter part, Ron shifted to
a more "Romita style."

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Posted By: Glenn Greenberg
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 12:45pm

Congratulate me, fellas--I just passed my 4000th post!

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Glenn Greenberg



Posted By: Michael Connell
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 12:45pm

Congrats Glenn!

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Posted By: Ted Pugliese
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 12:46pm

You Go, Glenn!

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Posted By: Tom French
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 12:51pm

The first time I saw Gammil's pencils was when he took over the Superman books from Byrne.  I remember thinking, "They just hired a guy who draws like Byrne so the transition between artists won't be as jarring."

I was never a Jurgens fan -- but LOVED McLeod when he was on ACTION with Stern. 




Posted By: Brian Hunt
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 12:54pm

Victor Bridges hands down.  I can see Dale Keown a little too, but he has his own style elements. 

 

Congrats Glenn!



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Posted By: Chris Hutton
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 12:54pm

way to go, Glenn!

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Posted By: James Hanson
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 12:55pm

I gotta agree that Frenz isn't a Byrne imitator but an amalgam of Buscema
and Kirby (at least based on his wonderful Thor work). He's terrific though!

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Posted By: Ted Pugliese
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 1:08pm

Victor Bridges is new to me, but a quick search reveals him to be Keown & Pelletier-like Byrne imitator.

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Posted By: Matt Hawes
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 1:13pm

Vic Bridges

Paul Pelletier

Dale Keown

All three have JB-inspired styles.

 

Gotta agree that Ron Frenz doesn't really strike me as a JB clone. He has done a little Ditko, Kirby, Buscema, and Romita, though, as others note.



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Posted By: Paulo Pereira
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 1:35pm


 QUOTE:
tually, as mentioned above, Frenz channelled a lot of Ditko during
his SPIDER-MAN run.


And Kirby for THOR ("Ron's Friends are doing a Kirby riff on Thor" or
something to that effect).



Posted By: Michael Everall
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 1:44pm

*inserts foot into mouth*

I think I listed the wrong artist. I had been looking through some Thor issues
recently, so probably got Frenz's name in my mind. It was someone who
came on after JB's run on Fantastic Four I believe. Paul Ryan, maybe?

I'm not saying any of these guys are horrible. I used to feel like they were
trying to draw in the Byrne style, but not quite the same. However, there
could be several reasons for that, one of the most important being "keeping
the style of the comic the same" as Tom French pointed out above.



Posted By: Brian Sagar
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 2:01pm

Paul Ryan's work always reminds me (a little) of Bob McLeod's pencilling style, not JB.



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Posted By: Brandon Carter
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 2:13pm

<<Spider-man/Hobgoblin mini-series right?>>


Yep. To this day, it irks me that George couldn't work on the entire project.

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That's one of my favorite miniseries of all time!  It would have been nice if George could have done the whole project but I was elated that Roger Stern got to do his Hobgoblin reveal.  Thanks, Glenn, for helping make this possible (and congrats on passing 4000!).




Posted By: Lars Johansson
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 2:18pm

Dan Jurgens was the closest to JB on Superman I thought at the time. I really liked Dan Jurgens.

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Posted By: Aric Shapiro
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 2:19pm

Castrillo, who posts his pieces on this site a lot, also has a JB vibe to my eye



Posted By: Mike Baswell
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 2:22pm

Whatever happened to Vic Bridges?


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Posted By: Nathan Greno
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 2:24pm

Ladies and Gentlemen, it's time once again to play America's favorite game
show:

"BYRNE" or "NOT BYRNE"?
 
(audience applause)

Hands on buzzers...

...and begin!

1.



2.



3.



4.



5.



6.






Posted By: JohnByrne4
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 2:26pm

25,000 pages under my belt, and I can't tell even
from memory!



Posted By: Thanos Kollias
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 2:27pm

The artists that made me think of a Byrne influence were:

-Kerry Gammil, although the FF story inked by JB must have set my mind.

-Dale Keown. I had to recheck the credits to make sure it wasn't JB inked by a new inker.

-Paul Pelletier had a lot of elemnets.

-Castrillo made me think of JB with a what if story he drew.

-Paul Ryan had also some Byrne elements during his AWC run.\Jurgens also had a few elements of JB in his style, especially some faces.

All of the above have or developed their own unique styles, though.

I have never even heard of Vic Bridges.

Finally, I agree with Glenn about Breeding, who I must add I think would look great over Byrne as well.



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Posted By: Josh Sherwood
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 2:30pm

I'm not sure that Grummett or Jurgens remind me of Byrne, but they were definitely my two favorite Superman artists when I started reading comics.  Grummett in particular has a very clean, borderline cartoonish style that probably detracts from how well he is appreciated, but I always liked it.

Perhaps they are most Byrne-like because they both appear to be guys who can draw more than one monthly title, and on time!



Posted By: Aaron Smith
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 2:37pm

Congrats on 4000, Glenn!



Posted By: Joe Aten
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 2:38pm

I'd say images 3 and 4 above are Byrne. 5 has got to be Kerry Gammil.

Paul Pelletier always struck me more as an Alan Davis imitator, who now swings more towards Dale Keown. Paul is great and the reason I was buying Exiles. Really fun art.




Posted By: Sam Houston
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 2:39pm

My vote is for Tom Grummett, also from Canada, especially on his work in the Titans back in the late 80's.

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Posted By: Joe Aten
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 2:41pm

Tom Grummett's Superman stuff looked very heavily influnced by JB (in my opinion anyway). While his faces still have a JB "quality", I wouldn't call him an imitator. Just a clean style that embodies what I think of when I think "Superhero comics". I'd put Mark Bagley in that category too.



Posted By: Paulo Pereira
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 3:17pm


 QUOTE:
...and begin!


I say 3.



Posted By: Juan Jose Colin Arciniega
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 3:18pm

Image 4 is by Dan Jurgens!

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Posted By: Michael Cross
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 3:20pm

Tom Grummett just draws an awesome Batmna dn his Superman is top notch too.  I always loved his Tim Drake Robin series.

 




Posted By: Dave Powell
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 3:21pm

Anthony Castrillo, from this forum used to be very Byrne-ish, his style has matured, but in the 90's.....



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Posted By: Michael Everall
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 3:25pm

Vic Bridges...not sure if he is doing anything nowadays. He did a few issues
of the FemForce comics line, a mini-series called Faze1 Fazers, and a few
issues of Freak Force (Image).

My first intro to his art:



comicvine.com has all four covers to the mini-series



Posted By: Andrew W. Farago
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 3:32pm

I've heard Ron Frenz referred to as "The Third Buscema Brother" by other comic artists before, and it seems like a pretty good description of him.  My favorite inker on Frenz has to be Joe Sinnott, with Al Milgrom probably second.  The Frenz/Sinnott combo on Thor is really nice stuff, and is probably as close as we can get to answering the question, "What if Vince Colletta hadn't been Kirby's inker on Thor?"

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Posted By: Stéphane Garrelie
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 3:35pm

Once again, to me this cover by Michael Ryan seems very much inspired by JB:

 



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Posted By: Knut Robert Knutsen
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 3:43pm

" Once again, to me this cover by Michael Ryan seems very much inspired by JB:"

The pose of the foreground figure seems to be exactly like a pose of the Scarlet Witch from WCA/AWC during the "Dark Wanda" Arc. A cover with her having defeated some of the other WC Avengers. Don't remember the issue  number but I'm sure it's exact down to the claw-like left hand and the grin.




Posted By: John Angelo
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 3:45pm

Yeah Michael, Vic Bridges immediately came to mind when reading that initial post.

I still have those Faze 1 Fazers somewhere. I was always looking for new and different super-teams. And an artist that was very Byrne-ish at the time, got my attention.



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Posted By: Christopher Alan Miller
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 3:47pm

Did Nightcrawler have sex reassignment surgery?



Posted By: Joe Hollon
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 3:53pm

JB wrote: "25,000 pages under my belt..."

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Assuming that is reasonably accurate, this means I now own approximately 0.024% of all comic pages John Byrne has ever produced!  Alright!



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Posted By: Thom Price
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 3:54pm

Apparently that's Nocturne, the daughter of a parallel universe Nightcrawler and a parallel universe Scarlet Witch.

If I ever wonder why I don't read the X-books, the above sentence would remind me.



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Posted By: Ted Pugliese
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 4:00pm

Nevermind.  I had a diferent comic called Phase 1 or something.  I think it was done by a Byrne Imitator, but it was B&W alternative small press stuff..



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Posted By: Michael Connell
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 4:02pm


 QUOTE:

The pose of the foreground figure seems to be exactly like a pose of the Scarlet Witch from WCA/AWC during the "Dark Wanda" Arc. A cover with her having defeated some of the other WC Avengers. Don't remember the issue  number but I'm sure it's exact down to the claw-like left hand and the grin.

You mean this?



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Posted By: Martinho Correia
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 4:06pm

What about Adam Hughes' early work on Maze Agency. He himself admits to
being a Byrne clone.
By the way I recently read that Vic Bridges left comics altogether because of
religious views that conflicted with his work.

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Posted By: Ted Pugliese
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 4:08pm

Finally, I agree with Glenn about Breeding, who I must add I think would look great over Byrne as well.

I disagree totally.  I do not think they would go well together.  As much as I like Breeding, I did not like him over Perez in Action Comics, nor over Grummet in Man of Tomorrow.  However, he made Jurgens look better than anyone

Sometimes, Breeding made Jurgens' Superman look better than Byrne's.

I wonder why the stopped working together.



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Posted By: Ted Pugliese
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 4:09pm

By the way I recently read that Vic Bridges left comics altogether because of religious views that conflicted with his work.

What?  Did he find out JB was an atheist, or does he have something against cloning atheists?

Jokes, these are just jokes.



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Posted By: Knut Robert Knutsen
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 4:23pm

"You mean this?"

No, Michael. There's another pose, a different cover or possibly even a splash page in that arc that resembles the other cover posted above. I may be wrong, but the moment I saw that first cover, the Scarlet Witch image popped into my head. All my West Coast Avengers books are packed away, so I can't check it myself right now.




Posted By: Wallace Sellars
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 4:54pm

It's good to know that I'm not the only one who sees some Byrne in Dale Keown and Paul Pelletier's work.  No one's work seems as Byrne-like as Vic Bridges stuff from years ago.  And though some of you may pelt me with rotten fruit, Nelson's work on a best forgotten Black Bull title looked Byrne-inspired to me as well.  



Posted By: Michael Connell
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 5:00pm


 QUOTE:
There's another pose, a different cover or possibly even a splash page in that arc that resembles the other cover posted above

It must be a splash page, I checked all the covers and the one I posted came the closest.



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Posted By: Paul Greer
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 5:00pm

I've always thought Paul Pelletier looked to be heavily influenced by JB.

It might be hard to believe, but I've never been exposed to much of Keown's work. I never read his Hulk or Pitt but I'm more tempted to look through it to see the influence.

Congrats on hitting 4000 Glenn!




Posted By: Keith Elder
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 5:18pm

"By the way I recently read that Vic Bridges left comics altogether because of religious views that conflicted with his work."

I can see it would be hard for a pious man to work for Marvel or DC, currently.  Most comics have become so base.



Posted By: Andy Mokler
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 5:39pm

Vic Bridges' run on Freak Force was one of my favorite surprises in comics.  Very Byrne-lite, but somehow it worked and it was just a fun super-hero book.  I'm sorry to hear he's out of comics but not surprised since I can't remember anything from him after Freak Force. 

Dale Keown's run on Dragon Force was very JB-like as well.  As far as independents go, that was one of my favorite's.




Posted By: Martin Redmond
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 6:20pm

Dale Keown despite some really odd anatomy was great on Hulk with Mark Farmer til he went to Image and hu... no comment about that stuff and onwards.

I always thought Jim Lee had some Byrne stuff to it. For some reason Alpha Flight#3 I reread it and was like I could swear I saw Jim Lee swipe some of that.

Vic Bridges didn't have much strenght in story telling or backgrounds if I recall. I know I bought his run because I was peeved at all the Jim Lee / Liefeld wannabes and needed a super hero comics fix real badly.




Posted By: francis tsai
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 6:23pm

Wow this page especially seems very Byrne like to me, even down to some of the design sensibilities of the costumes.




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Posted By: Gene Mason
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 6:28pm

Tom Derenick reminds me of JB in his faces & page layouts. 



Posted By: Paul Greer
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 6:30pm

If you've seen some of Derenick's current stuff on Shadowpact it has a John Buscema vibe going on now.



Posted By: Thomas Moudry
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 6:50pm

Paul Pelletier has always stuck me as JB-influenced, especially when he draws She-Hulk and Wonder Woman.



Posted By: Glen O'Brien
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 7:16pm

<<I still have those Faze 1 Fazers somewhere. I was always looking for new and different super-teams. And an artist that was very Byrne-ish at the time, got my attention.>>

 

I have some of those issues somewhere too.  I loved finding new super-hero teams and especially new writer/artists.  His stuff definitely seemed JB influenced to me. He also had the Fazers sketchbook with what seemed like a 100 different characters in it.  Very cool for a young comic fan like me, though the story itself hasn't left much of an impression these many years later (and as I recall he wasn't able to complete the four issues for some reason).




Posted By: David Whiteley
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 7:23pm

I can see it would be hard for a pious man to work for Marvel or DC, currently.  Most comics have become so base.

--

It was funny reading that with the bouncing boobs beside it.

And Glenn, congrats on the post count!



Posted By: John C. Harrison
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 8:15pm


 QUOTE:
Paul Pelletier has always stuck me as JB-influenced, especially when he draws She-Hulk and Wonder Woman.


Paul Pelletier in his early (pre-marvel) Malibu comics day he did a book called the Ex-mutants his style very much had a strong Byrne influience even alot of his early DC stuff. in the early 90's, DarkStars, Outsiders vol#2 etc. you could see it but he has managed to evolve into his own style and like someone said earlier in this thread his style looks like it has some  Alan Davis influience to it also.




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Posted By: delaney clark
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 8:52pm

I picked this up at a half price book store a few years ago because from first glance I thought it was a Byrne. The signature is even similar. It was hard to find who did the art but on the back cover it says Castrillo






Posted By: Joe Zhang
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 9:28pm

I really like the cover. I think Castrillo is a fairly successful Italian artist whose usual work has a strong resemblance to John Buscema's.

But the title,. "Alphabet Supes" is just dumb.


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Posted By: Dave Pruitt
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 9:37pm

Yeah, I asked JB to sign that one once, and was surprised he said it wasn't him.

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Posted By: Paul Greer
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 10:15pm

JBF member Anthony Castrillo is always posting his work in the sketchbook thread.

http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4276& amp;PN=1&TPN=1 - http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4276& amp;PN=1&TPN=1

 

 




Posted By: Michael Connell
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 10:21pm

Alphabet Supes sounds like a Seseme Street character's name.

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Posted By: Andy Mokler
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 11:24pm

If you've seen some of Derenick's current stuff on Shadowpact it has a John Buscema vibe going on now.

I haven't been picking up comic books for a few months now (finances) but Derenick's a guy that I count as an ebay artist.  He made a significant impact with his artwork on ebay for quite some time before he got any regular comic work.  His early submission stuff and artwork in genereal was heavily influenced by Alan Davis more than anyone else.  I haven't seen his Shadowpact stuff but the JLA, Nightwatch and other stuff I've seen seems to have stayed in the Alan Davis mold. 

All in all, I haven't been a big fan of what Derenick's had published.  I still pull for the guy but the sacrifice he has to make to meet his deadlines seems to really water down his published stuff(in my opinion).




Posted By: Lars Johansson
Date Posted: 04 June 2007 at 11:58pm

I would say 1,2,3 and 4 are Byrne, unsure about 4. Has it been revealed?

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Posted By: Michael Everall
Date Posted: 05 June 2007 at 12:08am

Looks like only #4 to me. (fun game!)

Oh yeah, I remember seeing Derenick's artwork on Shadowpact. I think it looks a bit like Willingham's own art, which is really good for the book. Speaking of which, Willingham's shading is reminiscent of early JB art too.



Posted By: JohnByrne4
Date Posted: 05 June 2007 at 4:57am

It was hard to find who did the art but on the back cover it says Castrillo

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That's the cover the fan asked if I had "forgotten" doing.




Posted By: Andy Smith
Date Posted: 05 June 2007 at 5:29am

<But, during The Incredible Hulk, Paul Peletier used to draw like Mr. Byrne, now he has his own style!>

I know Paul is a JB fan from working with him at Crossgen. These days I'd say he is heavily influenced by Alan Davis. I know he was a big Dale Keown fan as well.

I really enjoyed Vic Bridge's work on Faze 1 Fazers and Freak Force. Vic still draws for himself and has a regular day job. He's a very nice man.

Never saw much JB in Grummett or Gammill's work.

Andy


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Posted By: JohnByrne4
Date Posted: 05 June 2007 at 5:41am

Gammill has more Buscema in his work. Mind you,
if people look at that and see me, I can't say I'm
insulted!!



Posted By: Kevin Brown
Date Posted: 05 June 2007 at 6:30am

JB, besides those that have been mentioned, what artists do you see that "imitate" your style?




Posted By: Fred J Chamberlain
Date Posted: 05 June 2007 at 6:39am

Though Tom Derenick would be the first to admit that if he took 2 months per issue, he could easily improve the look of his work, the guy done 1 to 2 issues a month on many occassions. Meeting deadlines has never been a problem for him.

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Posted By: Michael Everall
Date Posted: 05 June 2007 at 8:46am

Tom Grummet...no resemblance to Byrne whatsoever?

Hmmm....




Posted By: Armindo Macieira
Date Posted: 05 June 2007 at 9:12am

A little off subject but I think imitators is a very strong word...

When an artist is developing his own style, he sometimes picks up some "features" of his favorite artist(s). He then has to move from there to his own personal style.

I picked some stuff from Byrne, Buscema, Romita Jr. and Madureira or Mignola, but then I always tried to make my own style. And I think I did it. Most of the artists mentioned here acomplished that too.

I think they're more influenced by than imitators.

Just my thoughts...



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Posted By: Stéphane Garrelie
Date Posted: 05 June 2007 at 9:17am

Tom Grummett will be the new Exiles artist this fall, succeding to Paul Pelletier & Clayton Henry to work with Chris Claremont on this book.

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As quickly as you can, snatch the pebble from my hand.



Posted By: Andy Smith
Date Posted: 05 June 2007 at 10:01am

Sorry don't see a big JB influence in that Grummett cover.

andy


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Posted By: Paulo Pereira
Date Posted: 05 June 2007 at 10:17am


 QUOTE:
Looks like only #4 to me. (fun game!)


Juan Jose says it's by Dan Jurgens. Are you calling him a liar? ;-)


 QUOTE:
I would say 1,2,3 and 4 are Byrne, unsure about 4. Has it been
revealed?


#1 is from the cover posted on page 4, likely done by Anthony Castrillo. #2
looks like Pelletier, but not sure; looks suggestive of JB but not quite on the
money. #3 Looks most like JB's to me (is that Perry White?). #4 Again, Juan
Jose seems to think it's by Jurgens. I agree (in that, whoever drew it, it
doesn't look like JB did - to me). #5 looks like Kerry Gammill. Not sure
about #6.



Posted By: Greg McPhee
Date Posted: 05 June 2007 at 10:35am

Ron Frenz and Brett Breeding on Thor were a great combination.

Nice to see fans of Kerry Gammill and Tom Grummett here. Two guys I don't think get enough recognition.

 




Posted By: Gil Dowling
Date Posted: 05 June 2007 at 11:02am

#6 is Paul Pelletier.



Posted By: Brian Miller
Date Posted: 05 June 2007 at 11:07am

I never saw the Buscema influence in Frenz. Like you guys, I saw Ditko then Romita on Spider-Man and Kirby on Thor, but never even thought about Buscema when looking at his work.



Posted By: Dale Gonsalves
Date Posted: 05 June 2007 at 8:43pm

Paul Pelletier is one who springs to mind

but

what about

STEVE ERWIN ???

Did anyone pick up his first few issues of Vigilante, maybe 48-50 ???

He went straight into Gunman and then Checkmate - I think

Byrne imitating to the max



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Posted By: Wallace Sellars
Date Posted: 05 June 2007 at 8:46pm

I picked up Alphabet Supes because I initially thought it was by JB, but realized it wasn't by the time I got to the counter.  I still bought it though.



Posted By: Charles Tyus
Date Posted: 05 June 2007 at 11:31pm

Very interesting thread as I just recently saw Vic Bridges at MegaCon in Orlando.  He was sitting next to a mutal friend.  When my friend reintroduced us (since I only met him once almost 20 years ago) the first thing that came into my mind, but I didn't say was, ah the guy that trys to draw like Byrne. I was also shocked that he was there because I also assumed he left the buisness all together when the friend had told me many years ago that he quit due to his religious convictions. He was showcasing some art at his table.


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Posted By: Andy Mokler
Date Posted: 05 June 2007 at 11:34pm

So was Bridges at the Con as a pro or just a friend of your friend?  Was he promoting anything or showing any of his work?



Posted By: Charles Tyus
Date Posted: 05 June 2007 at 11:50pm

"So was Bridges at the Con as a pro or just a friend of your friend?  Was he promoting anything or showing any of his work?"


Actually Andy that is a good question and I don't know for certain.  They did both work together at AC and I'm thinking he was there more as a friend than pro because now that you mention it I didn't see a name plaque at the table.  Maybe he was just peeking his head out to see what was still going on or my friend convinced him to go and check it out. I don't know for certain, but I will look in to it.

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Posted By: Eric White
Date Posted: 05 June 2007 at 11:58pm

I never saw the Buscema influence in Frenz. Like you guys, I saw Ditko then
Romita on Spider-Man and Kirby on Thor, but never even thought about
Buscema when looking at his work.

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You would have to go back to his work on King Conan, Ka-Zar and Indiana
Jones to see the Buscema influence.

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Posted By: Knut Robert Knutsen
Date Posted: 06 June 2007 at 3:39am

I still see the Buscema influence in Frenz in the faces with extreme emotions (anger, fear etc.). But I see that mostly as a Sal B influence. I may be overstating that perspective since I was a fan of Sal B's work before I noticed John B's work, and may be misreading the influence.



Posted By: Greg McPhee
Date Posted: 06 June 2007 at 5:26am

Looking back at the covers Ron Frenz did for the FF in the late 80's and his Thor run I can see much more of a Kirby-esque style to both those works.

His Spider-Man seemed much more Ditko influenced.

He had a run on Superman as well with Rubinstein.




Posted By: Francesco Vanagolli
Date Posted: 06 June 2007 at 8:23am

Grummet has a byrnish style.
Castrillo? I remember an artist with a very birnish style who drawn some issues of THE FLASH when Jimenez was the regular penciler (1996 circa). I think it should be him.

I don't see similarities between JB's and Ron Frenz's styles, but anyway Ron is one of my favorite superheroes artists.
I liked how, during his run on ASM, he was inspirated by the classic illustrators.
Ditko in the early issues (until the SECRET WARS II tie ins or so), and John Romita, Sr. (with some John Buscema's element) in the second part.
Mr. Greenberg, thank you (and Roger Stern and Ron Frenz, too) for the HOBGOBLIN LIVES! miniseries! That was THE story in that moment, for me.
I'd like to contact you for some questions about your work on the Spider-titles, is there any e-mail address I can use to find you? 



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Posted By: Brian Miller
Date Posted: 06 June 2007 at 9:22am

You would have to go back to his work on King Conan, Ka-Zar and Indiana
Jones to see the Buscema influence.

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Gotcha. I didn't get aboard the Frenz train until AMAZING. I do have an odd STAR WARS or two with Frenz/ Palmer art. I wonder if that will look Buscema-ish at all to me?




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