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Michael Arndt Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 03 July 2010 at 1:11pm | IP Logged | 1
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I'm like Matt. Prefer neither one. Although it is nice to see artists draw characters they never get the chance to do in their career.
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Paulo Pereira Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 24 April 2006 Posts: 15539
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Posted: 03 July 2010 at 1:12pm | IP Logged | 2
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I always dug those Eliot R. Brown tech drawings.
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Tim Farnsworth Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 01 July 2010 Posts: 817
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Posted: 03 July 2010 at 1:18pm | IP Logged | 3
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For all that the OHOTMU codified powers and provided often ridiculous depths to justify them, my impression is that the stat mongering mainly ended up being a fan enticement, while writer continued to simply write the power levels their stories called for. At least that was my impression as a reader. Was there editorial pressure behind the scenes for writers to get more in line with OHOTMU stats?
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Joe Hollon Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 08 May 2004 Location: United States Posts: 13715
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Posted: 03 July 2010 at 1:33pm | IP Logged | 4
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OHOTMU, in addition to sounding like the name of a pre-heroes Marvel Monster, is a huge reason why I'm here!
I remember being eight years old, on a summer day at the babysitter's house and my older brother's friend brought over a stack of comics including some issues of the Deluxe Handbooks! There was no turning back for me!
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Mike Benson Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 04 January 2010 Location: United States Posts: 839
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Posted: 03 July 2010 at 1:48pm | IP Logged | 5
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Loved both when I was a kid. I wasn't so interested in the characters I already knew. But I remember enjoying finding out about all the ones I wasn't familiar with. Lots of "oh...that's who that is" moments. I was completely bored by the long, technical explanations of powers in the Marvel Handbook though and I still am.
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Thom Price Byrne Robotics Member
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Joined: 29 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 7592
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Posted: 03 July 2010 at 1:48pm | IP Logged | 6
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As a kid, I greatly enjoyed OHOTMU. Sure, it's preferable to read about the characters in an actual comic book, but as a 10 year old, I didn't have much access to comic books published decades earlier. These handbooks gave me a more in-depth understanding of these characters in ways I would otherwise not have had access to. WHO'S WHO I did not care for, even as a kid. I found them -- and I'm not sure I would have been able to verbalize it -- as sloppy, inconsistent and unprofessional looking. I much preferred the more uniform, encyclopedic approach taken by OHOTMU. Today, I would probably favor something at about the halfway point between the two -- not as "exhaustive" as OHOTMU, but not as vague as WHO'S WHO.
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Tim Farnsworth Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 01 July 2010 Posts: 817
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Posted: 03 July 2010 at 1:55pm | IP Logged | 7
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Joe Hollon wrote:
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Makes me think... I was a lurker here before posting recently. While lurking I noticed Mr. Byrne was never a fan of these kinds of guidebooks and he's made some persuasive arguments that I think have won over many. They definitely led me to think I little more about the merits of such books. What I'm wondering is, did those who have some misgivings now have those same misgivings when originally introduced to the OHOTMU or Who's Who? I definitely loved them and felt they opened the doors to these big fictional universes for me. I became a serious DC fan after Crisis on Infinite Earths and the Who's Who books were like beloved guides. That was in my early teens and what I remember is that they only encouraged me to read more and more. That's my fan perspective, anyway. I realize it's a whole 'nother story for creators.
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Don Zomberg Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 23 November 2005 Posts: 2355
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Posted: 03 July 2010 at 2:00pm | IP Logged | 8
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I have a lot of nostalgiac love for the original OHOTMU. Nice pin up shots, handy references to characters' origins and first appearances--but it went too far in the powers/technology/how-does-it-work? department.
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Aaron Smith Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 06 September 2006 Location: United States Posts: 10461
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Posted: 03 July 2010 at 3:36pm | IP Logged | 9
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I liked them both but for different reasons. When I found OHOTMU, I was already somewhat familiar with the Marvel Universe of the 80s. Seeing all those little panels from older comics made me want to go back and read the stories they came from. I believe OHOTMU was the first time I saw small bits of JB's X-Men art. I remember, in one of the entries, though now I forget which one, there were panels that I now know were from Uncanny X-Men 137. Who's Who was a little different. At the time, I knew next to nothing about DC. I think I might have read one issue of Batman, one All-Star Squadron, and that was about it, so I had no idea who most of DC's characters were except the ones who had appeared in cartoon's etc. If I recall correctly, the first Who's Who i saw was the Q-R volume and I think the only characters in it that I'd ever heard of before were Robin and the Riddler. Seeing all the others made the DC Universe seem like a fascinating and mysterious place that I wanted to learn more about. I don't remember now exactly what characters I saw for the first time in that issue, but I do remember Ra's Al Ghul, Ragman, and the Rose and the Thorn. The other great "reference" series at the time was Marvel Saga. Seeing those issues, with their bits and pieces of Kirby and Ditko and Heck art from stories by Stan Lee just completely blew my 8 year old mind!
Edited by Aaron Smith on 03 July 2010 at 3:38pm
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Robert White Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4560
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Posted: 03 July 2010 at 4:34pm | IP Logged | 10
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It will always be the handbooks for me. I think these books serve a great purpose, actually. Or did. Back when reprints of classic stories were scarce, these provided a great source of history for the Marvel universe. In retrospect, the handbooks did go overboard with the descriptions, but the craft behind some of those diagrams still impresses me. Who's Who went overboard by NOT going into the details at all.
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Carmen Bernardo Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 08 August 2006 Location: United States Posts: 3666
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Posted: 03 July 2010 at 5:57pm | IP Logged | 11
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I was a Marvel zombie and an X-books fanatic in my day, so OHOTMU was what caught my fancy. People may look down on the quantifying of powers these days, but in those days it seemed like a logical fit to MU "physics" as they were being written then. For instance, Wolverine could not regenerate lost limbs or survive having half his vitals vaporized by a death ray, unlike today when you have him practically regenerating after being reduced to a red-hot adamantium coated skeleton by a supervillain. If they stuck with that, half the crazy (censored) that you see today wouldn't have happened.
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Stephen Churay Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 25 March 2009 Location: United States Posts: 8369
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Posted: 03 July 2010 at 6:06pm | IP Logged | 12
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I thought OHOTMU handled the idea better, but I liked both. I like them because they're great quick reference on how to draw a character your not familiar with.
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