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Tony Midyett
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Posted: 13 July 2010 at 3:24am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

^ Interesting link, Greg.  Thanks!
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Greg Kirkman
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Posted: 15 July 2010 at 6:42pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Began work on my second pilot TOS Enterprise model today. It's a bit disheartening to start all over from scratch on one of these things after completing another, but the first pilot version turned out well, so I look forward to finishing this one.
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Greg Kirkman
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Posted: 21 July 2010 at 12:53pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Sweet! They posted one of my submissions!

http://www.starshipmodeler.us/gallery14/gk_062810_lex.htm

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Al Cook
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Posted: 21 July 2010 at 1:28pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Very cool!
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Bill Mimbu
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Posted: 21 July 2010 at 4:25pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Congrats, Greg!
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Bill Mimbu
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I was going through the Starship Modeler Store (picking up another 1/1000 Polar Lights Refit, TOS Connie, and Klingon D-7), and noticed there are two sets of alternate registry decals from PNT-Models for the PL TOS kit: This one, and another that's apparently faithful to the Franz Joseph 'Starfleet Tech Manual'. 

I picked the first decal set, since I assumed it would be the TOS canon one, but I didn't know that the Tech Manual Constitution-class starships had a separate registry number system (it's been a long, long time since I read that book).

 

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Greg Kirkman
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Yeah, the Joseph numbers are pretty much sequential, and make some sense.

The "official" numbers used in the STAR TREK ENCYCLOPEDIA (and elsewhere) come from Greg Jein, who wrote an article way back when matching up all the Constitution-class ship names from TMOST with the wall chart seen in "Court Martial".

http://www.trekplace.com/article10.html

The flaws in this, of course, are:

1. The numbers are wildly divergent and non-sequential, and thus not what one would expect if Constitution is NCC-1700, Enterprise is NCC-1701, etc. While Constellation had a much lower number (NCC-1017), is there any need to assume that Republic (NCC-1371) was a Constitution-class ship, aside from the fact that it was described as a "Starship" (the Enterprise-design nomenclature which preceded "Constitution-class")?

2. It stupidly assumes that almost ALL of the Constitution-class ships were undergoing repairs at Starbase 11 during that episode.

 

As an aside, the single best fanon tech manual I've ever seen is SHIPS OF THE STAR FLEET, which is a very impressive book. It's laid out like modern-day guides to naval vessels--schematics, changes in technology from ship to ship, current status of ships for each class, etc.

The amount of detail and thought put into it is staggering--it covers different ship classes from TOS through the movie era, and explains each iteration of the Enterprise design in various media as being a different class (as well as offering new designs)--the pilot versions, the production version (which is said to be a "Bonhomme Richard" class that the Constitutions were upgraded to), the Franz Joseph version, the PHASE II design, and so on. Constellation is said to have been upgraded to Constitution specs from a previous class.

http://www.amazon.com/Ships-Star-Fleet-Allen-Guenther/dp/096 5601609/ref=pd_cp_b_1

 

Coincidentally, I was browsing at such a real-world book at my local library recently, and I just happened to randomly open it up--I kid you not--to the page on U.S.S. Enterprise, CVN-65. Spooky!



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Bill Mimbu
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Posted: 23 July 2010 at 6:20pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

Went with the Greg Jein TOS registry instead of the Franz Joseph one, since it allows for my future plan to build the (non-canon) USS Yamato NCC-1705 without getting it mixed up with the USS Excalibur. ;) 

Added the 1/1000 scale "make your own TOS registry" decals to my new order just for that (MK II Bonhomme Richard sub-class on the way!).

 

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Greg Kirkman
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Posted: 23 July 2010 at 9:16pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Doing any builds right now, Bill? I'd love to 'em when they're done.

That's an obscure reference, too. Yamato had two registry numbers as I recall--one was NCC-1305-E. Are you kinda referencing that with 1705?

What's your plan for the Bonhomme Richard subclass?

 

(As an aside, while I like that book quite a bit, I don't necessarily like the idea of each iteration of the Enterprise--TOS, Joseph, etc.--having its own class or subclass. It de-uniques the basic Constitution design.)

 

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Bill Mimbu
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Posted: 23 July 2010 at 10:33pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

Greg, right now I'm just in pack-rat / collector mode... ;)   However, seeing your builds and the ones on SSM is getting to the point where I may bump one of these up on my to-do list.

So far, my build plan for the 4 Connies (one in transit):  First will be my "training ship" (USS Hood or the wrecked USS Constellation if I mess up badly).  Second will be an ISS (not the Enterprise). Third will be a production USS Enterprise.  Finally the USS Yamato.  I'm so out of practice of doing these, that I may have to break out the easy kits and do those first (this is what happens when you start collecting completed figures and pre-painted replicas).

Yup, an obscure reference, but an old trip down memory lane with FASA's Star Trek game license for me.  The answer to your registry number and Bonhomme Richard question is here.  (Told ya it was non-canon) ;)  Another unofficial source, but I'm just tickled by the quote on the dedication plaque (Space Battleship Yamato in-joke).

I'm wondering how long it will be until Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann's catch-phrase of "Kick reality to the curb and do the impossible!" shows up on a dedication plaque (or a Federation Captain shouting "Who the Hell do you think I am?!?" while pointing upwards).



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Greg Kirkman
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Posted: 23 July 2010 at 10:37pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

Of course! I didn't make the connection! You've mentioned a love for Space Battleship Yamato before, yes?
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Bill Mimbu
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Posted: 23 July 2010 at 10:49pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

Yup!  

BTW, Rick Sternbach, at his late 1980's SDCC Trek panel, strongly denied that the destruction of the Galaxy-class USS Yamato was an in-joke or homage to the FINAL YAMATO movie...  ;)

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Greg Kirkman
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Posted: 24 July 2010 at 11:00am | IP Logged | 13 post reply

It's really amazing how many variations can be wrung out of that little kit. Ya can't stop with just one!
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Bill Mimbu
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Some news from the Round 2 blog... 

First look at the test of the retooled Romulan Bird of Prey, and a rather embarrassing typo with the Enterprise-C repop decals.

EDIT - On a sad note, looks like it's been confirmed that the original AMT USS Excelsior molds were permanently altered to the Enterprise-B configuration.



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Greg Kirkman
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Posted: 31 July 2010 at 10:53am | IP Logged | 15 post reply

Two more!

http://www.starshipmodeler.us/gallery14/gk_062810_const.htm

http://www.starshipmodeler.us/gallery14/gk_062810_entp.htm

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Greg Kirkman
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Posted: 02 August 2010 at 10:34am | IP Logged | 16 post reply

Naked (Gray) Lady Alert!

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Bill Mimbu
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Posted: 02 August 2010 at 12:20pm | IP Logged | 17 post reply

Nicely done Greg! 

I'm seeing a lot of blue color hues in those photos...  Is that from the camera, or just the way the lighting is interacting with the grey shading? 

Was the original production miniature painted grey, but ended up looking blue-ish due to optical processing?

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Greg Kirkman
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It's the lighting.

The color of the Enterprise is something that will be debated until the end of time, although the paint used on the FX model has been pretty much pinned down.

http://www.culttvman2.com/dnn/tabid/74/ctl/ArticleView/mid/4 08/articleId/7/Default.aspx

But, thanks to TV reception, optical compositing, and varying film stocks, the ship's on-screen look is all over the map--from gray to blue to white to green.

It's really amazing how many different colors work for people building scale models of the ship. Pretty much all them still look "right", somehow!

My preferred base color is Testors Gull Gray, which is a light gray color with a hint of green--just like the original model. And it's not too intense for the scale. Its appearance can really vary under different lighting conditions too--light gray, slate gray, green, blue, etc.



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Bill Mimbu
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Not from Round 2, but it didn't take long for somebody to try and model the "Fifth Season" NX-01 [Link]

Now, let's see somebody do this with a 1/1000 PL 1701-Refit [Link]

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Greg Kirkman
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Posted: 03 August 2010 at 2:57pm | IP Logged | 20 post reply

I've been tempted.
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Bill Mimbu
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Posted: 09 August 2010 at 6:31pm | IP Logged | 21 post reply

I've been tempted.

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Look what just showed up at the SSM Store: [Link]

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Greg Kirkman
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Posted: 09 August 2010 at 11:22pm | IP Logged | 22 post reply

I saw it. Pretty neat!

There are only two issues I have with it:

1. From a purist standpoint--the damage added to the real model in the movie was purely cosmetic, and this set takes artistic license by creating actual holes in the model. More work than is needed for accuracy! Decals would be much easier!

2. From a practical standpoint--since I plan on doing the Refit and -A, doing yet another with damage would be a lot of work! I couldn't just be happy with adding the damage to a stock kit--I'd be compelled to put in a much work accurizing it as with the others.

Still, it would be fun! We'll see.

 

Oh, and I'll have some interesting photos to show here soon...

 

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"We're leaving the galaxy, Mr. Mitchell! Ahead, warp factor one."

 

 

 

 

My second pilot Enterprise is done! As before, much time was taken to carefully research every last detail of this version. Although there's a good amount of reference material available, some details have been troublesome to pin down.

But, I daresay that my buildup may again be one of the most accurate builds ever done, in terms of detailing--right down to the three (!) windows on the bridge dome, the white blinker lights on the upper saucer, and the unique window pattern for this version.

And it was a REAL pain to carefully trim and splice window elements from several decal sheets to get the correct pattern of "lit" and black windows. That work nearly got my eyes to permanently cross!

This incarnation of the ship is an interesting transitional step between the first pilot and the series. Roddenberry clearly wanted more detailing, but the excessive use of black (the saucer stripes, the impulse and nacelle vents, etc.) was presumably deemed a little too busy, and was removed for the final version. This was also the first version to incorporate lights, and I must say I'm rather fond of the well-placed anti-collision strobes on this version.

This version was seen in every single episode of TOS, via stock footage (in the episodes proper, the main/end credits, or both), and so I suppose it has as solid a claim to being the "real" ship as the production version does!

The weathering on the real model appears to have been significantly toned-down from the first pilot version, no doubt because of partial repaints with the base color, since the change from painted registry markings to reversible decals was made for this version. That said, traces of the original weathering remained, and I replicated this on my build.

Also, I was bothered by the kit's stock parts--the second pilot nacelle endcaps feature a series of holes to represent the grilles--on the original, these were painted.

So, I smoothed a set of endcaps, and designed/printed my very first custom decals--and they turned out great! I think it looks much better and more authentic than painted holes on the stock parts would have.

 

More photos:

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/GregKirkman/Stuff016- 1.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/GregKirkman/Stuff014- 1.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/GregKirkman/Stuff013- 1.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/GregKirkman/Stuff012- 1.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/GregKirkman/Stuff011- 1.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/GregKirkman/Stuff010- 3.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/GregKirkman/Stuff002- 9.jpg

 

Angles never-before-seen in TOS!

Oh, wait...

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/GregKirkman/Stuff008- 5.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/GregKirkman/Stuff004- 6.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/GregKirkman/Stuff005- 5.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/GregKirkman/Stuff006- 6.jpg

 

Shots from that "lost" time-travel episode where Kirk and Pike meet up and have an adventure:

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/GregKirkman/Stuff018- 1.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/GregKirkman/Stuff019- 1.jpg



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Bill Mimbu
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You know, I'm a big fan of the Constitution-class Refit design and other ships with heavily detailed profiles (like the new Galactica kit coming out this Fall), but they still haven't topped the simple elegance of the TOS Connie as shown in your 2nd posted photo above.

Is the "neck" painted a different shade of grey?  Like your previous USS Lexington, it appears to have a blue hue in those photos.

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My research indicates that the neck (and the bolt cover piece on the upper saucer right above it) were painted a blue-ish color for the pilots.

For the series, only the leading edge of the dorsal was blue (with the base color painted over the rest of the neck), and the bolt cover was repainted the dark gray highlight color seen on the nacelles.

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